Chris, gotta question for ya

[Radical-Al]

question is this, At the rolex I saw a Infiniti G35 Sportscoupe, but this was a different one. It had a GT-R badge like the Skyline does (I thought it was one at first, lol) and had better rims than the average one (average one comes with some pretty cool rims) was that just someones upgrade work or is that a rare factory GT-R version?

[Vette Boss]

Probably just some guy tuning his G35 coupe. You can get GT-R badges off ebay.

[chris]

Vette Boss is probably right..

Unless it had huge stove-burner style tail-lights, and look like the real GT-R concept car.

But, they look different, anyhow. Skyline Coupé/G35 look more sedate, while, the GT-R concept, looks shockingly brutal, and aggressive.

[VQ]

Yeah most people do that iwth Lancers and other cars in Australia inclding COmmodores unless u see lots of the cars around then it isn't basically.

[chris]

As with everything, you can pick the real GT-R's.

Real GT-R's, in the old models (R32 and later), have a lot of specific technology that the lesser models don't get. I won't go into it, since their is too much stuff to explain. But, it's all stuff to enhance the performance, turning or stopping ability of the car.

Look at the engines, too. The inline-6 twin-turbo 2.6 litre engine. Only in GT-R, I think. Lesser models seem to have 2.5 litre engines instead.

So, it's easy to pick the non-genuine GT-R's.. If still unsure, have a Nissan dealer check the car. Check the serial numbers. That's the easy way to determine what is what. In Australia, Nissan dealers will be able to tell you what is genuine. And, what was imported by Nissan Australia.

The Nissan GT-R concept, seems as though it has built in numbers more than the one that was seen at the Tokyo motor-show.

I won't go into detail about the specifics of what makes a real GT-R special, as, I'm sure you all know. It has a legendary reputation, with good reason, too.

[VQ]

Yeah the engines sound differnet from the flocks of R33 skyline turbos with their RB20 motors and RB25 motors cos they are annoying give me a RB30ET thatz in a VL NE time and put a RB26 twin cam head on and u have a monster!!!

[chris]

The one that I rank as the best of the Skyline engines, is the RB26DETT, that came in the Skyline GTR V.Spec II N1. That engine was absolutely brilliant.

It had a lot of special bits and pieces in it, and was red-lined at 9000rpm. The dyno tests reveal the differences, and the fact that Nissan under-estimates the power by at least 80kW. Something that accelerates that ferociously, can not be just 206kW.

And the car had storming performance. Some 278km/hr top speed, and effortless 4.4 second 0-100km/hr acceleration ability. All with smoothness, and no harshness. And the way it drives.. Just awesome. It craves to be driven harder and faster. And it's easy.

The recent GTR M.Spec (with softer suspension) is also a good bit of gear, too. That one apparently has about 240-250kW, in standard tune. (Not that Nissan will officially admit to that).

[VQ]

Yeah itz an agreemeant through the Japenese companies to limit the power altho none of them do follow the rules ne more.

[blackice111288]

RB30? I never heard of that one. what car does nissan put it in? i thinki we should ban altezza lights and stickers so muscle car losers can quit calling our cars ricers.


vq is right, i dont think any followed that rule. they finnaly get rid of it this year and honda is starting with a S2000 type-r 360 bhp, 3.0litre inline-6, 18in rims, bridgestone potenza's, 0-60 in less than 4 sec., and the quarter mile in something like 12.5 sec. all for the low low price of $56000 us currency. hey, porche performance for 1/3 the price. a sure mustang killer.:007:

[butcher]

lose the wanky body kits, dodgy retreads and gutless engines and I'll think about it. The RB30 was in VL Commodores and a turbocharged RB30ET was also available (single cam, single turbo 150kW).

[chris]

The RB30 and it's turbocharged variation were the subject of a huge legal battle.

Holden lawyers basically tried to used their legal might and money to try and censor poor humble journalists (1 in particular) from reporting about the new (at the time) engine. That one journalist just about lost everything.

Basically, every newspaper and magazine in the country that was going to report on the new engines was served with a court order to have it stopped.

The action basically wouldn't have happened, if the journalist involved had revealed who his contact was inside Holden.

In the end, the dispute was settled out-of-court.. The pictures of the then secret engine were shown, if I remember right, but, no mention of the performance figures for the engine could be made.

The reason the mainstream Australian media caught on, was because of the article appearing in Car Graphic in Japan. The bad thing was that the timing between the publishing of Car Graphic and Wheels was about a week different, Car Graphic published earlier, and, Wheels later.

Of course, the story was big news in Japan, and, the phones between Nissan in Japan and Holden here ran hot.. With the resulting legal action taken. But, it was too late by then, and the mainstream media and the public had discovered the Car Graphic report.

As for the journalist involved, he just happens to be one of the few honest and really unbiased people still left in the motoring journalism industry, who reports the facts, without putting his own spin/bias on them.

On the subject of the Commodore, that had the excellent RB30ET engine, it was capable of over 220km/hr. The speedometre ended at 220km/hr from memory, but the speedometre needle would go off the end of the marked section on the dial. That was in standard configuration, without modifications, or anything like that.

Makes me wonder why Holden thought it necessary to move to that horrible (Buick derived) 2 valve technology pushrod Ecotec V6 engine. The Nissan engine was nicer, by a mile.

[VQ]

Holden stopped using it becuase Nissan couldn't make a larger version and Holden needed a larger version for the Larger VN but the V6 was as powerfull as the previous model Carby V8. ANd the fact it was Australian made. But all the young people like getting VL Turbo's in Calais versions for luxury and class or Executive form for the drag racers where they just add a intercooler and up the boost and get 13 secend qaurters.

Didn't know about the court case tho.

Edit: As Ive said before Calaisturbo.com.au has lots of done up VL Turbos on it if u wanna see the car.

[blackice111288]

sooner or later companies are gonna learn that the J-spec way and the euro way is the best way. only thing we have good over here is trucks, and even their coping euro designs.

[chris]

In my opinion, they should have just done a deal to keep using the turbo inline-six from Nissan, instead of the unrefined (and not very powerful at the time) Ecotec V6. I don't need to explain much about the V6 not being refined.. If you've heard one being raced along, you'll know for yourself.

Maybe the thought of the little turbo inline-6 killing off the old V8 also weighed on their minds, too. The old V8 eventually came good, with about 195kW before they killed it off, and replaced it with the Gen.III 8 cylinder engine. And from there onwards, the performance levels have surged forward, to ever higher levels.

If only the quality would do the same.. :(

[VQ]

Well Chris it wasn't the ECotech V6 at the time it was based on the Buick motor but the Ecotech engine was made in the VS series ok? Holden couldn't keep the motor because the market wants a larger engine and they had to do it to keep up with ford ok?

Well that isn't true about the V8 WEither because the Vn version is more powerfull with Full injection and a new block basically and they are cheaper to make powerfull and it was 170kw on the stock version and 195kw on th HSV enchanced versiona dn the most powerfull Fuel injected V8 was the VT 230kw blueprint stroker motor and the VN Group A had 215kw with the four bolt main block and stock stroke.

And the Gen III isn't thatbad an engine itz just the Canadian's make it wrong in their plants. If Holden made the engine in Aus which they will it will be a much better engine because of better quality control.