Just tried Interlagos..

[chris]

Well, I just finally decided to try some laps on the Interlagos circuit, in the Ferrari 360 GT, in GTR2002.

It'd be the first time I've raced on that circuit in a computer game since the original Microprose F1GP (old game, for DOS).

Man, that circuit feels like it is almost purpose built for the Ferrari 360 GT. The car seems to glide around that circuit. :) I didn't change any car settings, and still got a reasonable 1m:38.636s lap, in qualifying. And that, was on the 1st flying lap, too, on the medium tyres, of all things.

This track is very enjoyable to race on.

[FIATLOVE]

I tried Interlagos 2 weeks ago or so, I had grand problems in first curve, so I had to do some laps with the Alfa to understand the curve.

I'll try with Modena now

SETUP; Doug Arnao have a setup for Modena 360 - Interlagos, I found it in the "." folder, it don't seems very different from his default setup, so I will test both and see :)

Talking about tracks buildt for the 360, yesterday I did some laps at Valencia, wooohooo, if you want to practice tailbraking with 360, Valencia is a cool place I almost made the car dance!
8)~

EDIT:
Difference in Doug Arnao's setups versa the default setup:
I have noticed a interesting thing about how Doug have set the rev-limiter in his setups, 8400 rpm, the lowest setting possible.
Chris, a couple of days ago you wrote about the flat torque curve in the Modena engine.
Setting the top-rev to 8400 seems to help that flat curve even more!
And it will not damage the engine much to push it to the redlight at every gearshift, because the "real" RED-mark will still be at 8750 regarding over-rev (so be careful, don't be to ruff at revs when powerbraking, it will wear out the engine in a long race)


Mads

[AccadaccA]

Hooly Dooly, what a track!!!!!!
They've gotta be kidding. I just had my maiden blast on this track (using F1s) and man it is one tight cornering skating rink.
You almost need to stop to take a few of the corners or else you're mowing the infeild. Even pit exit is long winding road which temps you to put the foot down.

Naturally it was a beautiful sunny day on practice, I did about 8 laps, skipped qualifying and you guessed it, it pissed down rain for the race. Typical :rolleyes: I'll never learn.

I managed to get up to and keep a hold of 11th place (full grid) until the finish straight where I was overtaken by one car from the pit lane entrance. I thought that was a no-no to be on the pit lane side of the white line. :confused:

[chris]

Stay away from the ripple strip on the inside of that first turn. It's bad, that one. The car seems to get very unsettled, of you go near that ripple strip.

I wonder what must Interlagos been like in the old days, where the 1st turn that we have now didn't exist, and, it was one flat-out blast. See the attachment.

Mads: Yeah, I know about that. I tend to get into the practice of leaving the downshifting to a later point, when the engine revs are much lower.

[FIATLOVE]

Ya, that track has reputation of being a technical terror, so dang tight too.

I have raced a bunch of laps now in the Modena, and the Pirelli tyres is so tricky and unpredictable the first 5-6 laps, they need to be really warm at this track before they stop biting &(

Just did a 1.37.9xx, I can do steady sub 1.40's, but not before lap 5-6 or so, the tyres need plenty warming, and when they start to work fine, I try to keep them hot by trying to push them the best I dare :p

Doin some more laps, trying to cut another second

[chris]

Also, do check your private messages.. :)

[FIATLOVE]

Just did Chris, thank's mate!! :HB: Will give you my report soon -^


Mads

[Wazza]

Did I mention Chey did a 1:29? OK that's just a slow estimate of what she could do..

I've only played Monza a couple of laps and that Malaysian track.. I don't even watch the F1 no more, or played it before, apart from a couple of runs on Monaco on GP3.. So I don't know any of the tracks....

There's like hat? 30 + tracks!%$
Gonna take 30 laps each to learn quite well...

900 laps...
a week of full racing? :(

[Wazza]

ALso, you mention about redline? How can I see mine?
I only have those lights at the top of screen, which is probably the final 1000rpm of the car!

Must learn how to change rev limiter and be able to see the exact revs I'm at??

[FIATLOVE]

1.29 with N-GT at Interlagos is 4 seconds better than the standing WR at www.findthelimit.com , that's really impressive! :)

[chris]

You have to go into the advanced car setup, and you should find it.

It can go from 8400-8700. I leave it on 8500.

[FIATLOVE]

I also only have the rpm-lights at top of screen (or dashboard), I drive in cockpit view, infact I use to turn off hud when I try to do "fast" laps, it gives me smoother framrate

This game demands me to shop a new vidcard soon, but the good old have done a great job, 3 years is long life for a graphic card (nvidia geeforce2 256 gts 32ddr)

[D_Man]

I use nose-cam :) All I have in my field of view is the LCD readout and the mirror -^

Wazza try changing on the yellow lights. Don't let it hit the red if you want to keep your engine in one piece.

Dave

[Vince Klortho]

Chris - your attachment is the old Interlagos. It's coming with the F1-77 mod. I can't wait !

:)

[chris]

I know it is the old one, but, I was wondering what it would be like from the in-car perspective. Those sweeping curves would have made for very very high speeds on the straights.

Already on the new Interlagos, a Ferrari 360 GT is hitting 260km/hr on the main straight.

[D_Man]

Oh well I just tried my first laps at Interlagos :rolleyes: My best was only 1:39.315 :help:

It is a fun track and I think I need to reduce some of the understeer I was getting in those tight corners. I love a track with nice elevation changes. Flat tracks don't usually interest me much unless they have something else that makes them special :D

Dave

[AccadaccA]

LOL, Chris, I can sort of answer that for you because on my first time around I actually missed turn #1 and went straight into the grandstand or whatever it was that got me 50-100 meters airborne (nose up). I was going full tilt at the time too. :D-^

Well......., it was my first ever lap there and naturally, I did start in the pits so I wasn't to know. :rolleyes:

I eventually gave up on mowing the lawns there and went to Silverstone. Did a 60 lap race (with a few disturbances, phone, Jono's school bus, etc) in a Viper and managed a second place although I was almost a minute behind first place. 48 seconds I think it was.
Recorded a best time of 1:45:381 which ranks me 450th but this was my first ever run on the track and I am on keyboard. 2 or 3 practice laps, qualified then raced 60 laps. Didn't adjust pit calls so it made me pit two laps in a row for fuel & tyres. I thought I had a Stop/Go penalty otherwise I would have kept going. =[
Still wouldn't have caught the lead though.

I think I only have spin recovery, traction and auto gears in the assistance menu. Spin recovery & traction are a must with keys (full-boar or nothing) and although I much prefer manuals there's just to many keys at once when I use spacebar for brakes.

Sorry for rambling on about another track in this thread. My bad.

[chris]

Imola is a lot of fun in the Ferrari 360 GT, as well. Those chicanes, that split up the big turn at the start, Tamburello, I think it was called (where Senna I think had that horrific crash the cost his life), especially the first one, are very fun in the 360 GT.

You'd be shocked to see how aggressively I attack those chicanes. The first one is easy, but, the next one, further along, before that sharp hairpin, is much more tricky.

The bit where that little Variante used to be (the really sharp one, that they got rid of) on that downhill section, even though straight, requires real precision, and you must get the braking point and turn in for the quick sweeping part right, because, exactly after it, is a sharp uphill right hand corner (3rd gear). If you get a nice exit from here, you get a good run up the hill, and, a possibility to overtake. Mess it up, and you'll be much slower on the straight, and possible for others to overtake.

D_Man is right, though, the tracks with the undulation changes are really fun. Just wait until the modern Nurburgring Nordschliefe comes out.. I don't think we'll be racing any other track, when that arrives.. ^_^

[chris]

I'd love to see one of those 1m:47 replays of Imola in the NGT class car, though.. I can't work out where to get any more speed, around that track. At least my time is half respectable, I think (see attachment).

Acca: I haven't race at Northhamptonshire, yet, so, I've yet to discover the joys of Silverstone, yet.. I racing a Championship (NGT), and so far, I've just finished Imola. Luckily, somewhat, 1st place in all the first four races.

Definately, though, that Viper would be hard to control with keyboard. :eek: It's hard enough with a steering and pedals setup, since it is just so easy to spin.

It feels like it doesn't have much throttle progression/travel.

[D_Man]

Okay, I just did some more laps at Interlagos and managed a 1:37.824. That was a smooth lap without any real errors. I could push harder, but when I do I mess up and do slower times :rolleyes:

Dave

[Wazza]

Glad you're all going well.. I couldn't even do one nice lap.. seems to slide off the track on every corner...

Just take a look at pic..

now where did that track go?
I got disqualified too, on Sepang, kept racing, did a great lap for me, perhaps 2:10, but realised coz I'm DSQ, it wasn't timing my lap!%^%$*
All my settings are still stock.. medium tyres.. full petrol, no changes.. and running all help off, except clutch.
Did a 1:47, best here, but could probably do that 10 sec faster.. if only I don't spin out on the first corner.. need 10 laps to find the braking point.

[[XR]SUE52]

:bow: lol Wazza you are not alone, I am still doing the spin out on the first corners too :racer: :AAAHHH: I am sure we gotta do a little tweak to the car or controller setting, but it is more likely I am just being too heavy footed and the need for speed is influencing what little brain power I do try to engage ^_^

Sue :clown:

[D_Man]

I use the darkening of the bitumen to let me know when to brake. I usually brake just after the darkening begins ;) For turn one at Interlagos I brake at the 150 metre brake marker -^

Dave

[chris]

Yes, I look for the 150 metre marker, and, brake just slightly after that. Pretty much last of the late brakers sort of stuff.

Sue: It's just a matter of on the first turn, you are probably going into it too hot, on cold tyres, with cold brakes. I assume it's the 1st lap? On the first lap, on cold tyres, and cold brakes, you've got to take it easier.

When the tyres are warmer, and the brakers are warmed up, you can then push the car harder. I don't know if it has any effect in GTR2002/F12002, but, I always try to gradually bring the tyres up to proper temperature, rather than burning them up in the opening laps.. They seem to last longer.

[[XR]SUE52]

Yes I am sure you are so right Chris, I do kinda like to go for it right from the word GO hehe a little restaint would do me the world of good no doubt.

Sue

:love: :Peace: :love:

[Wazza]

So the tyres heat and brakes are modelled well or ok ah?

So after a few laps, times should get a bit faster?

I don't understand the tyre colour settings.. I went to inside view, and saw my tyres were red.. when I did some wheelspins they slowly changed to orange/yellow..
shouldn't it be the othr way? Green to Red? Like in Gran Turismo???

[chris]

I don't really know about those little display things.. Perhaps the F12002 manual will tell you what they are for..

I just tend to note when the car is sliding about, and misbehaving. You notice when the tyres are warmed up, and the brakes are at the right temperature, because you can use the throttle more aggressively, and, also brake later.

[D_Man]

I always take the first couple of laps a bit easy to let the tyres and brakes warm up. I learnt that from GPL. However, I'm still not sure what the optimum temps are for the tyres :rolleyes:

Dave

[FIATLOVE]

Yesterday I digged into the readmefile in GTR, I found some VERY IMPORTANT details regarding

BRAKE-DISC temperature: top peak performance at 500 C degrees, fading at 800 C deg
To reach 500C degrees, I set brakeduct opening to 1 or 2
I guess most of you drive with brake-temp at ca. 200- 300 C degrees, like I did until I read about optimal temp's

ENGINE TEMP: 95- 105 C degrees, set duct to HIGH at "slow" tracks and set it lower for fast tracks

TYRES (all types): OPTIMAL WORKING TEMPERATURE 95- 115 C degrees.

Medium tyres will get overheated easy if you spin alot, hard tyres are the easiest to keep at a stabile temp over a longer period of time

[D_Man]

Thanks heaps Mads :)

Dave

[D_Man]

I did some more laps of Interlagos and managed a new PB of 1:37.700 :)

When I submitted my time on the ranking site I saw how slow I really am :rolleyes:

Dave

[chris]

Yeah, but, from what I've seen of one of the replays you uploaded, and posted here, you tend to take more orthodox and conventional cornering lines, and actually stay on the track.

I'm certain some of those super-fast records must be cutting turns, slightly. I can't work out, how they can so much more time. :confused:

[D_Man]

The GT3 is definitely faster than the 360 at Interlagos. I did a few laps in a GT3 using a Doug Anao's setup and did a 1:36.669 pretty easily. I am now 18th fastest on the NGT Rank for the track.

In case anyone is interested, I have attached the replay :rolleyes:

Dave

[chris]

Thanks.

I will look at that replay. :)

[chris]

Tried the GT3, and, I found it impossible to go under 1m:40sec. Just too unstable at the back, under brakes. And the 1m:40.2 lap I did, was with me fighting the car, all the way around the lap, trying to keep it steady. The first turn, I had to creep through, at stupidly low speeds, to stop a spin.

I know the real GT3 isn't as difficult as this one is. I know that for certain. The real one isn't always threatening to spin, under brakes. In fact, you have to try hard, to get it to slide, and really deliberately provoke it, to get that.

And that is on the standard from Porsche factory suspension setup, too.

I didn't find any specifc Doug Arnao setups, that worked as they should, and made it feel like the real car. :(

[AccadaccA]

Dave : 12 placing on the stats isn't something to be ashamed of. It may be a big 4 seconds to #1 but at least I know one guy in the top 21 who didn't cheat to get there.

Top effort mate, well done. :cheers:

Gotta beat my miserable 450th with traction assistance. :rolleyes:

[D_Man]

That's weird Chris, because I found it to be very stable unless you get too high onto the kerbs :confused: It does get a bit "squirrelly" under hard braking, but it is controllable :)

I am interested to hear any comments on the replay if you have any :)

Dave

[chris]

I've been doing some more laps of Interlagos, and managed this time a 1m:37.124 lap, in the Ferrari 360 GT.

I must admit, I do not like the way the handling of the GT3 is simulated. The rear engined handling characteristics that it does have, seem over emphasised. I find the Ferrari much easier. I can concentrate more on braking as late as possible, and getting the cornering right.

I've attached what I think is the 1m:37.124 lap, for people to download. Comments welcome. I think maybe I'm losing a bit of time along the main straight, perhaps. I also think perhaps I could go faster through Mergulho..

[D_Man]

I'll have a look at the replay Chris :) Great time by the way -^

Dave

[chris]

Thanks. I doubt I'll beat that time that you did in the 911 GT3 RS, however. I'm driving as fast as I dare, and, I don't see where to gain time. Unless something in my car setup is not quite right.

I tried lowering the downforce, at the back, but, the car gets a little too snappy at the back. But, I'm thinking that if I were able to get a little more speed, on the straights, I can gain time.

I don't know if having absolute maximum speed on the main straight is the best, though. I'm thinking that shorter gearing, providing more responsive acceleration on the shorter straights, and, out of corners, might be better.

[D_Man]

Chris that is a fast lap :) I can't match it in the 360 and you were obviously on the ragged edge -^

I did manage to improve my GT3 time to 1:36.619 and feel that a low 1:36 is realistically possible in that car. I can't even get within a second of that time in the 360 :rolleyes:

Dave

[chris]

Some of the laps I did, were over the edge, too far.. :rolleyes:

I still try to go faster, since, a sub 1m:37 lap in that Ferrari must surely be possible.. Given that on my lap, I made a big mistake, one of the turns, where I ran wide of the track, and very nearly spun.

I just don't know how others have managed to go faster, in the 360 GT.. I'd really love to know..

[chris]

YEEE HAAR!!

I finally worked out what to do with the 360 GT. Man, that car is a brilliant bit of gear..

My lap time in the replay is 1m:36.318.

Although, I think I could have gone 1m:36.0 flat, without the stuff-up where I ran off the track, before the sharp turn. I really got that cornering line wrong. Wrong line through the first section, meaning the wrong angle of approach for the 2nd part.. :rolleyes:

This Ferrari has such great natural balance, that you can use some crazy setups with it, that would see other cars get too oversteer-ish. The trick seem to be in the toe in, and, flattening out the rear wing, and, just driving really really precisely, and not provoking the car into any sort of positions where it might oversteer.

If it seems to be pushing a bit at the front, at low speed (understeer), don't dare use the throttle harder, or you oversteer off.

And getting a good exit out of the last sharp turn, onto the main straight is absolutely critical. Get it right, and you can get some really good straight line speeds. I'm getting 259-261km/hr before braking, at about the 130m point.

[D_Man]

Congrats Chris -^ That sure is nice smooth driving :beer:

I just did some more laps in the 360 and managed a 1:37.303 with a maximum speed of 262.4 kph :) Yet again it is the twisty bits that are my undoing :(

Dave

[FIATLOVE]

Congrats Chris, super time and a nice smooth hotlap -^
I saw you took a wide 1st turn, rest (except the offtrack hehe) is pretty much like my own lines, but you do it 0.5 sec faster :)

really nice!



Mads

[chris]

I have to take wide cornering line, at turn 1, because the inside seems too bumpy for the car setup I use.

[chris]

Dave: I had a look at your lap in the GT3.

I see some differences in the way we both attack the Interlagos circuit. I take a conservative approach, making sure I finish all braking in the straight line, while, it looks like you are perhaps braking still, even when starting to turn into the corner. (unless it's just something to do with the replay itself).

I don't know if it makes much of a difference in GTR2002, but, in real life, I was taught that it is a big no-no I was told that you must complete all braking in a straight line, even if it means moving the apex further around the corner.

I was also taught that the weight distribution (48:52) could change to 64:36 or 36:64 under braking or hard acceleration, respectively. Also learnt to not always run the engine at full noise, but, rather, sometimes, use higher gears, and make use of the torque. Also, instead of backing off, if the car starts to slide, remaining on the throttle, and quickly tweaking the steering. But it takes practice, though..

It would be great if it were possible to replay both laps at the same time, with the cars in a no-collisions sort of mode. So both cars are on the track at the same time, and, you can directly see where Driver A is gaining or losing time to Driver B, for instance. Sort of like what they have on the WRC broadcasts.

I suspect that you'd be gaining a lot of time under braking, while I might be gaining on the corner exits, maybe. But I couldn't be certain, though.

The telemetry program really isn't that useful, because it seems to be impossible to scroll the view across in a particular section (like throttle inputs), for instance. It can really be helpful to be able to analyse the throttle inputs, and, also perhaps the engine RPM's, too.

[D_Man]

Thanks for the comments Chris. You are right about me trail-braking through to the apex. That is something I learnt in GPL :)

I'm not sure whether it is effective in GTR, but it is a habit I learnt. I left-foot brake and dab the the accelertor if it starts to get out of shape. The fact that you are quicker than me in GTR might indicate that your technique is better.

I did some laps in the Diablo and managed a 1:30.688 which was good enough for 18th -^

I can attach that replay if you like.

Dave

[chris]

I don't really know if it makes much of a difference in GTR, either.

I might try the bigger cars, later today.. See what I can achieve.

[AccadaccA]

Originally posted by chris
It would be great if it were possible to replay both laps at the same time, with the cars in a no-collisions sort of mode. So both cars are on the track at the same time, and, you can directly see where Driver A is gaining or losing time to Driver B, for instance. Sort of like what they have on the WRC broadcasts. Chris : They also do this on V8Supercar broacasts. A little of it on track but mostly in the pits where the view is directly above both cars looking down and superimposed to show both inside each other at the same time (as one car).
Some of those pitstops are so identical you'd think the pit crew were robots.

Dave : Congrats on the 1:30.688 and 18th spot. -^-^

[D_Man]

:disco:

Hehe, I managed a 1:29.922 - good enough for 12th now :monkey:

Replay attached -^

Happy Dave

[chris]

Very good. :beer:

[D_Man]

I must be on a roll or something because until today I couldn't get close to breaking 1:37 in the 360 and now I just set my fastest N-GT time in it - 1:36.485 :)

I think there is a possibility of getting under 1:36 but it would need a perfect lap (for me that is :rolleyes: ).

Dave

[chris]

That's a good time in the 360 GT. A good, fast lap.

I admit, it's not easy, for me to do the 1m:36 laps. Very hard. It takes a lot of practice, and it's so easy to get a corner wrong, and lose 0.4 of a second..

[D_Man]

I think I have worked out a good setup for the 360 now. I did about 8 1:36 laps and the best was 1:36.229. It should have been a 1:35 but I lost time in the last sector :rolleyes:

Anyway, I have attached the replay for what it is worth.

Dave

[FIATLOVE]

Woooohaaaaa!

Congrats Dave, really really nice work, wonderful stats! :beer: :Band: :bow:

Now I have to try too, :boxer: with the GT's ^_^

&( :)


Mads


Edit: that boxer ain't me, I always started with double leftys to wind up the righty :D (not anymore)

[chris]

Argh.. Too fast, hehe.. ^_^

Now I have to try and do a better, lap.. I don't know how I'll beat that lap.

That is a very, very fast lap.

[chris]

1m:31.921 in the Viper GTS/R, that's the best I can manage around this track.. Very slow.. =[

Tried Ferrari's front engined barge, as well, and couldn't make it go faster.

[D_Man]

Chris I found the Viper VERY hard to drive around Interlagos and the 550 was nearly as hard. The Diablo is the only car I can drive around there reasonably consistently. I didn't even try the other cars :rolleyes:

Dave

[D_Man]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I was just doing some laps in the GT3 practicing what I learnt with the 360 and using a better setup. I was on a mid 1:35 lap and overshot the last tight left :mad:

Anyway I did manage a 1:35 - albeit a high 1:35 :(

Replay attached as usual.

Dave

Update: I was so angry about messing up the fast lap I went back for another go. I managed a 1:35.780, but it still doesn't make up for messing up what would have been a top 10 lap. So now I have 13th fastest N-GT time.

[D_Man]

Woohoo :D

Dave

[AccadaccA]

Way to go Dave. http://totalnfs.net/Remko/smilies/checkeredflag.gif Whooo hooo. :cheers:-^

:crowd: :crowd:

Great effort, mate. :auswink:

[FIATLOVE]

Wow, congrats mucho grande Dave!


Have been in Belgium all nite, LAN-racin with [NO]Deal, managed to push PB 2 sec down there, but;

At Interlagos in GT, ojojoj :o , there is so many new buttons at the dashboard in the Diablo, taking my consentration away from the road :rolleyes:
The black Diablo I gave up after 5 laps, then the 550 Maranello I did 1.34 =[ :help:
Tryin some more in Diablo (Reiter) before bedtime

Mads

[FIATLOVE]

1.32.048 in Diablo after 7 laps, this is the first time I try GT-class since I learned to control the inputs, and the Diablo feels so steady and nice :)
Promise to push it down to 1.30 soon :rolleyes:


Mads

[D_Man]

Nice going Mads. I can attach my setup for the Diablo if you want to try it -^

Dave

[FIATLOVE]

Yes please Dave, I'd liked to try it, the test was done with DA_V2 setup..

I just registered at stats, same name for GT and N-GT, but I couldn't add country or team yet, hope it works better tomorrow :(


Mads

[D_Man]

Here is the Diablo setup -^ I want to tweak it a bit more now using what I have learnt from the GT3 and 360 setups :)

Dave

[chris]

Just did 1m30.329 lap in the Alexander Frei Diablo GTR Supertrophy car.

Seems much easier to get the power down, than the other cars, and with Dave's setup for the Diablo.

Even made a couple of mistakes, on the lap (last corner, entered with the car skewed wildly sideways)

[D_Man]

Congrats Chris -^ Nice lap time.

I have decided to try for a GTR Rank. I am going to start on Silverstone, but looking at the times on the ranking site it will require a lot of work to get into the 100 :(

Dave