(It's German language, but, I have not found the english language version, yet. But, most things, you can understand, quite easily.)
This Cayenne is amazing. With this car, you can still have fun driving fast, but, you can also go off-road, too, and go to places where other cars offering similar performance, will not go. I think they've really got it right with this one.
I admit, I doubted Porsche and this car, when I first heard about it.. I sneered at them, sarcastically.. I now admit, I was wrong. It seems that the Porsche engineers, know no other way, to develop the cars. Talk about a thoroughly developed car.
Also, you can hear, in the film, some little clips of the Cayennes 4.5 litre V8, both S and Turbo versions.. I'm sure you'd like to hear more of it. :)In short, it makes nearly every other V8 engine I've heard sound timid by comparison.
Starting up, idling, then revving up:
http://www3.porsche.de/isapi/german/deu/sounds/default.asp?SoundSrc=/german/deu/cayenne/cayenneturbo/experience/sounds/sound/turbo_1_startengas.mp3&SoundImgSrc=/german/deu/cayenne/cayenneturbo/experience/sounds/bilder/sounds_foto1.jpg&SoundImgWidth=153&SoundImgHeight=99
Starting up, then accelerating fast:
http://www3.porsche.de/isapi/german/deu/sounds/default.asp?SoundSrc=/german/deu/cayenne/cayenneturbo/experience/sounds/sound/turbo_2_startundweg.mp3&SoundImgSrc=/german/deu/cayenne/cayenneturbo/experience/sounds/bilder/sounds_foto2.jpg&SoundImgWidth=153&SoundImgHeight=99
Video: Driving fast (all engine sound):
http://193.175.6.226/cayenne/all/arrival/testdrive/html/gofordrive/videos/onroad_hi.mov
That's the Cayenne Turbo, that you can hear. It's a 450hp, 620Nm 4.5 litre twin-turbo V8 monster.. Outrageous is a pretty good description for it. Nice sounding engine, too. Well developed V8 engines are always nice to listen to, and this one is no exception. :)
I also admit, I sort of like the styling of this car, as well, in comparison to the other big off-roadable four-wheel-drives. It grows on you. I could live with this car, as a practical thing, to use every day, and on the weekends.
Now, about the movie itself:
This is a really beautifully done movie. Some of the things in it are very neat, like the chassis driving along. The use of music, is also very appropriate, as is the beautiful locations that the filming took place at. I also like the traditional touches, such as the quotes from the Ferdinand Porsche, and the old video footage. It gives the impression of experience, and expertise. Same as the video footage of the cars being designed, where you sometimes see Ferdinand Alexander Porsche III designing the 904 mid engined race car, for instance.
Very classy.
You can see more movies here:
http://www3.porsche.de/german/deu/cayenne/cayenneturbo/experience/movies/default.htm
Tip: View the quicktime ones, and, then, look in your temporary internet files, and you'll find the video there. You can then copy/move it to the directory of your choice, for later viewing.
Vette Boss
03-14-2003, 08:34 PM
Wow. So it is is possible to make an SUV that performs off-road and on-road. Leave it to Porsche to come up with an idea like that. It is nice to see an an SUV that finally performs, and not another house on wheels. -^
Radical-Al
03-14-2003, 08:56 PM
Hey Chris. Last Sunday I saw the Porsche Cayenne... Turbo version. thats 4 days before it was released in the US. I got pictures... but they aren't scanned yet. It was at the 8th annual Concours d'Elegance here. A big international car show, this year it sucked... because of the rain. Most of the cars or over half the cars weren't there because it rained. It is ironic that it stoped raining aroudn 2Pm that day. There were around 50-80 cars there instead of 250 :( I still think the Cayenne's front end is way too bland. Do you know of the LM002? Lamborghinis SUV they made in 1991-1993 (I think).... now that was a cool thing... but the Porsche Cayenne is way toooo original. But it does have nice performance :)
Avro707C
03-14-2003, 09:01 PM
Yeah, I know the LM002.
Originally developed for the US Army, to do the same thing as what the hummer or whatever it's called did..
Powered by whacking great big thundering 5.162 litre V12, with 444hp. (From the Countach, the engine, I think). :eek: It's fuel consumption was frightening, to say the least.
Not bad, though, and it could go just about anywhere. Though naturally, it's not as quick as the Cayenne Turbo, since it is much older.. I also didn't like the too heavy weight of the LM002, some 2735kg, I think.
I hear that Lambo is doing a successor to the LM002, that may be built on the old LM production line, that sits unused.
But, damn, I can't get over the sound of that Cayenne Turbo... ;) What a noise.. :)
Also, I've seen the Cayenne, as well. I saw some at the docks, in Sydney, covered over, one evening.. They were quite heavily covered, the 5 of them, but, you could tell they were Cayennes, and not BMW X5's. These were the ones that Porsche were testing and developing in Australia, before the car was released. They took them up to the Northern Territory, during the summer, to test at high speed, in the heat and humidity, and, also, to test the cars off-road, in the harsh conditions, not only in the dry periods, early in the day, but, late in the afternoon, in the rains.. In the afternoon, in the Northern Territory, during the summer, storms arrive, bringing rain of almost biblical proportions, and very, very violent storms.
One afternoon, they were crossing a small creek, that they'd previously crossed in the morning, when it was dry, quite easily.. But, in the afternoon, it had a small but fast flowing stream of water rushing along it.. One Cayenne got across, easily, but, the next one, well, it was half way across, and, the water level suddenly got much higher, and flowing faster. It almost swept the car away.. But, the Cayenne's traction management systems kept it all going, however, and the car made it across.
It's a testiment to the excellence of the Cayenne, but also the inexperience of the Porsche engineers, in extreme off-road driving.. They broke the number one rule.. Don't cross creeks like that one, in those conditions.. Inevitably, more water will soon arrive, quickly, making it substantially deeper than you first expected.
Also seen a Cayenne Turbo at the Sydney Motor Show, too.
blackice111288
03-15-2003, 09:47 AM
that is pretty phat. maybe its just the tuner in me, but id put some 20's on it, lower it, bigger turbo and all the fixin's......... But before i went bankrupt, i guess i better just stick to dreaming:D
VQ
03-15-2003, 04:22 PM
Not to burst ur bubble or ne thing but to my understanding this car already has airbags as does the VW twin but the VW has the v10 diesel with all that torque which would beat most car in speed. So to lower it all u need to do is reprogram the computer and i thought they already had huge rims on them? lke 19 inches or somehting.
Too bad Porsche wasn't at th Melbourne Motor show tho at least VW was so I still saw the twin.
Avro707C
03-15-2003, 05:09 PM
VQ: I know someone who has tested the Touareg V10 TDi, so, I know it's quick, but, not as fast as either Cayenne model.
It does 0-100km/hr in around 7.5 seconds, so, 0.3 slower than the S, and, much slower than the Turbo. It's much softer, less disciplined in the suspension too, even though it shares the air-suspension from the Cayenne Turbo.
But, it's a very good car. And with the V10 TDi, it never sounds like it is working hard, from what I was told. It has like, 750Nm from 2000rpm. Doesn't sound like a diesel, eitheer, apparently. Quiet and refined.
So, Porsche not at the Melbourne auto-show? That's strange, especially for a big mainstream auto-maker. They are always at the Sydney show, and even run ad-campaigns on TV, and in the newspapers/magazines occasionally, for Cayenne, Boxster, and 911 variations.
blackice111288
03-16-2003, 02:52 PM
if someone were to hand you the keys right now, would you pick the cayenne turbo or the VW Touareg? id probalby go with the porsche, seeing is porsche, and is has turbo:love:
Avro707C
03-16-2003, 05:47 PM
Oh, you'd go for the Cayenne Turbo, I guess, since it is a rocketship. But, that doesn't mean that the Touareg is bad.
It's good, as well, but, a car of a different character. The 3.2 litre base model VW Touareg is easily better than rivals, such as the hulking big Jeep Grand Cherokee, and BMW X5 and Mercedes ML, for instance, and a better deal than otherwise impressive new Range Rover.
The Range Rover stumbles on the value equation, since it is so expensive. The base model 3.0TD model is very expensive, and the 4.4 litre V8 one (using BMW M62 V8 engine) is even more so.
The one thing about the Touareg V10 Tdi that you'd like, is the way it never apparently sounds fussed, when moving along, even, when being hurried along, at 190km/hr. It's still quiet, and unfussed, but, the speedometre needle is sitting on 190km/hr, and the thing is still accelerating.. :eek:
Not bad for 2.5 tonne of heavy 4wd off-roader.
Mind you, Touareg also has high and low range 4wd modes, too, like the Cayenne (as you probably heard them saying, explaining the "straßenmodus - high" range, and the "geländemodus - low range".
This is something the X5, and ML, do not have. Don't take an X5 or ML off road, because, chances are, they'll get stuck.
But, that Cayenne, though, well, it's hard not to like a car that sounds so good as this (The Cayenne S, it sounds even better than the Turbo!):
Well, in the beginning I didn't really like what porsche did with the Cayenne, becuase they don't look Porsche enough, and it still don't. But after sitting in the Cayenne for myself, the interior is very much a Porsche, except for the automatic shifter which I'm not too used to seeing in the Porsche. I had already predict that Porsche would make an SUV many years ago... I mean, porsche is making a smart move doing an SUV, becuase most porsche owners would mostlikely get an SUV in addition to thier Porsche, if these folks have to get an SUV they can get a Porsche one to match. And at last a Porsche that can hold all my camping gear. :)
VQ
03-25-2003, 10:47 PM
Yeah the Touareg V10 is a good car they even had a cutaway of the engine at the motor show with the gerbox atacthed to the big engine. Ne way the porsche is aimed for a lsightly sportier market like the X5 M right? and the VW top engine is diesel but still can go faste then most cars and that engine is in the Phateon and that makes it just as fast.
Avro707C
03-26-2003, 01:25 AM
The Porsche is aimed at buyers who want something more sporty, but, it's just as good off-road as the Touareg, too.
Comparison of the two is inevitable. Later on, the Touareg will unleash the 6.0 litre W12, though, I doubt it'd be a match for the Porsche twin-turbo V8.
In any case, they are both good cars. If you can't afford the Cayenne, go for the Touareg. You'd be happy with either of them, I'd imagine.
About the X5 M, well, it's a bit of stupid thing.. They would have been better off making a 6.1 litre V12 BMW 5 Series station wagon, rather than a X5 M.. The X5 doesn't go off road very well, and, with all the extra height, it ends up being ungainly on the race track..
The engine and style is okay, but, the rest of the concept is flawed, in my opinion. At least Porsche made their Cayenne do well off road, as well as make it go decently on a race track. So, what's BMW's excuse?
Also, from what I'd heard, the VW V10 Tdi is made from a couple of inline-5 engines, joined together. Very large torque output from the engine, certainly. Filling it's tank with diesel would be the only thing that might deter you from wanting one.. The diesel -fuel pump nozzles are always seemingly covered with a fine film of diesel, that leaves your hands malodorous for hours later, even if you wash them thoroughly... :( Of course, you can use gloves, but, it still does nothing for the offensive smell of diesel. But, the relative fuel economy of a Turbo diesel is something to marvel at:
Touareg 3.2 -v- Touareg V10 Tdi:
3.2 V6 : 16 litres per 100km (from Auto motor und Sport comparison test, with BMW X5 3.0, and Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.7)
5.0 V10 Tdi: 12.2 litres per 100km
I've long known the turbodiesels to be economical.. The old 306 XTDT was good for around 4.5-5.0 litres per 100km, and that was with air-conditioning running, as well!
VQ
03-27-2003, 01:25 AM
Yeah TDi's are good I mean my Dad's Mk 3 Golf 95' TDi 1.9 get about 1200km on the Odomotor when he fills up just from city driving to and from Work most of the time.
And the is with a 40 litre tank!
Dad's old VW Passat 81 model got decent economy but was a bit loud and slow but the Golf is quick I mean when dad goes up against some1 in a hotted up car and he beats them until the speed limit basically.
But the V10 is based on the 5 cylinder deisel 2.5 that we have in our van but that isn't TDi.
Dad also makes biodeiesl which is a messy process from a onlooker but it makes the car more economic as well.
THe film from the diesel pumps aren't on that many now really cos Mum fills up and doesn't use a glove altho Dad does odd.....