The Porsche Carrera GT is finally here. After too much of a long wait, it has arrived.
The car looks virtually identical to the concept seen above, with only very slight differences in the wheels, being the only thing I noticed.
I've not come across the power specs of the car, yet, but, the rumours all pointed to Porsche cranking the power up even more, than the thunderous 558hp of the concept car.. Rumour was, 580hp was the target, and 600Nm of torque, to move along just 1250kg of car..
I think we have a ground-bound missile, here. Gigantic 380mm PCCB 6 piston brakes slow it down with plentiful ease, as you expect, given their specification, and size, and the cars relatively trim weight figure.
I let you know, when I find out more, ok? :)
VQ
03-05-2003, 10:49 PM
Well the new Lambo has 8 spot brakes like on the Audi S6.
Commander
03-05-2003, 11:44 PM
I have the full article on it from the newspaper about a month agao. It is one VERY mean machine (and it looks cool too! :) ). Half a million bones and she's yours!
chris
03-06-2003, 03:55 AM
Yeah, the price is enough to make you cry.. If the performance hadn't done that already.. The performance specs as you pointed out, are absolutely vicious. :eek:
I doubt it'd catch a Mclaren F1, for outright straightline performance, but, it may be quicker through the curves, and will probably understeer less.
And you are also right, it does look very cool. The interior photos I've seen looked really good.
So what next in the fast car phalanx that is coming from Europe?
I think the Mercedes Benz SLR should soon be arriving. It's a wild front engine, rear-driven extreme looking version of the current SL, powered by a mighty 5.5 litre supercharged V8, reportedly tuned to produce more than 580hp, and produce in excess of 720Nm of torque.
It apparently uses lightweight materials to keep the weight down. It will be built in Woking, United Kingdom, by McLaren Cars Limited. It'll have great build quality, seeing the McLaren are building it, but, I wish McLaren were doing a F1 Mk.II.. (That would be awesome).
To date, I think the Mclaren F1 has the most savage and violent rush of acceleration in 3rd gear, at 1800rpm, of any supercar. No waiting, it just suddenly, and very very violently erupts into a huge roar, and belts forward at a crazy rate. Within seconds, you are way over any speed limits, and into loss of license territory.. :eek:
One scary car, that one. I remember hearing something about Gordon Murray only specifying to BMW that it should have 550hp, but, when the engine was done, it had 630.. :) So, not surprisingly, it became in it's day, the quickest accelerating car from above 125mph.
Even the Mclaren F1 Grand Prix car at the time (an MP4/8, I think it was) couldn't catch the F1 above 125mph.
jtace
03-06-2003, 08:23 AM
Nice car! wish I had a spare million or two for a copy. ;)
:look:
blackice111288
03-09-2003, 07:27 PM
what about the new ferarri F60? thats the most super supercar from europe( in my opinion). its got a 650bhp V12 powerplant and a 7SPEED F1 GEARBOX!!!!lets see you Mclearen F1 beat that! pretty phat car if you got $750,000 layin around. and if you do, gimme some so i can get a new lancer evo!:D
VQ
03-11-2003, 01:11 AM
Black ice: U have more chance of leaving the Porsche in the street and coming back to it then a Lancer cos that thing is too wild and weak.
blackice111288
03-13-2003, 04:45 PM
1 question. why is a 300 bhp inline four weak when a 300bhp comaro or mustang with v8's are stong? think about that.
VQ
03-13-2003, 11:49 PM
Because, the lancer ISN"T that powerfull stock! it is only wat 190kw at the FLYwheel? how much lag? How many RPM?
On a V8 the power is made naturally aspirated (unless itz a Ford and there to lazy to upgrade the engine more so supercharged) and it ahs FAAAr more torque and is in a bigger body and Can hold 4 big blokes without the engine running out of puff.
And how long do the Lancer engines last until u need to rebuild a part of it because of the high rpm?
Vette Boss
03-14-2003, 09:46 PM
You know, you don't have to bash on a car just because you don't like it. Yes, the new Falcon's are nice, but the EVO 8 is in a totally different class. You won't see any big V6s or V8s in a sport compact, for what it is, the EVO 8 will stomp on most cars around. Also, the EVO 8 has AWD, let's see your Falcon beat an EVO 8 in a handling test.
Just because you're not fond of small sport compacts, gives you not a right in the world to bash them.
chris
03-14-2003, 10:42 PM
I don't think he realises just how potent the Evolution spec Lancers are. They don't seem to have turbo lag, they just erupt from 2000rpm.. And the noise, is enough to make anyone unfamiliar with them freak out, completely. I comment on the EVO VI TME (Tommi Makinen Edition). That was a ready to race, special edition. Unbelievably raw car, that one. Very focused on high performance, alone. Not even exotic stuff like the brutal Audi RS4 is good enough to keep up with it. The Audi can keep up on the straights, but, anywhere else, is slower.
The Lancers in Japan, straight from the factory, are claimed to produce 206kW, but, that's a straight out lie, to keep the unyusho happy.. As long as the car's power output is claimed to be below or on 206kW, they will find no "faults" with the car, during the verfication process. The real power output is about 226-229kW for the Lancer, and the torque is about 380-390Nm from around 2000rpm, or so. Mind you, they won't officially say that, for fear of attracting a reprimand from the unyusho (Japanese Ministry of Transport). But, some car makers, are cautiously claiming more power than 206kW.. Like one of the new Subarus with a claimed 222kW..
Now, previously, Subaru had claimed 206kW for it's turbo flat-fours, too.. But, the STi ones are well known to produce 239kW in stock form. So, you can only assume that the 222kW one, would be more powerful, in reality, too.
Nissan has a car called the Stagea.. Their is a Autech version of it, that uses Skyline GT-R mechanicals, or something like that.. It's a 1.7 tonne wagon, that does the 400m in around 12.8 seconds.. Yet, with just that magic "206kW".. Hahaha, who are they kidding.. It's really more like 260kW or 280kW.. Indeed the name is Stagea Autech version 260 RS, or something like that..
And, a Nissan engineer did admit on the quiet, that the Skyline GT-R M-spec (that's the one with the softer suspension, designed for Europe, and aimed squarely at the 911 Carrera 4) produce "in excess" of 240kW, from it's ubiquitous 2.6 litre inline 6 twin-turbo engine..
And of course, another good evidence is the Skyline GT-R V-Spec II N1. That's the lightweight semi-racing model, aimed at the Porsche 911 GT3.. It again develops that magic "206kW", but at just 6400rpm, yet, it ferociously revs past 8600rpm, and has the rev-limit set at 9000rpm.. It really has closer to 300kW, in its standard factory tune.
Just a pity the US spec Lancer Evo VIII is watered down, and not full strength.
I believe it is to run on the lower octane fuels, commonly found in America. In Australia, we mostly have RON91-95 though, RON98 is not hard to find, such as Shell Optimax, or BP Ultimate 98, for instance.
I heard the new Carrera GT, too! The sound is quite distinctive.. Take a Dodge Viper's V10 engine (a GTS-R spec engine), then, give it an huge overdose of steroids, and really really bump the revs up.
See more, here:
http://www3.porsche.de/german/deu/carreragt/modelinformation/experience/desktop/default.htm
It looks awesome.
The technical specs, are scary. 459kW, was what I'd heard, and 8400rpm rev limit. Very much a contemporary 917 inprototype form, pretty much, but not as melodious and musical sounding as the flat-12 917. (It was a wonderful thing to listen to).
Alright, if you must hear the Carrera GT, then, here you go: :)
No matter, I'm drooling as well, over that Carrera GT..
No, I can not hope to afford it, since it is about AUD$750,000, heh.. :eek:
Still, a missile, though. :)
In the production form, it does look a little different, maybe the paint, and the shape has changed a little bit.. It looks more composed, now. It has that extra bit of polish on it now, and looks like a completely finished product.
I post the link to the images above, so you don't have to rely on images that have been vandalised by supercars.net banners. (Yeah, I'm anti supercars.net).
Their premium photos thing stinks.. Charging for what is available freely elsewhere, is just not on.. :rolleyes:
blackice111288
03-15-2003, 10:41 AM
finally people see what im sayin. id like to know who told you ,vq, that lancer evo 7 or 8's only had 247 bhp( 190kw? these math conversions are killin me) at the flywheel. the Evo 7 was capable of making 300bhp but was electronically limited to 276bhp, to satisfy that curios little "agreement" the japanese auto industry has. and it could smoke the average V8 at the change of a light without mods. the only evo's i know with less than 276 were the Evo I,II,III,and IV. And sock, the Evo 7 runs 13.5 sec, only .2 less than a M3, 1.5 sec slower than a Lambo Murci. So if u throw on a bigger turbo and intercooler, lighter and stronger pistons, better cams, and maybe nitruos just for the fun of it you could probably cut mid 11's or lower easily.
Vette Boss
03-15-2003, 05:48 PM
Yeah, but then your warranty goes in the garbage. It's not like you see Murcielago's anyway, they are exotic supercars. Stock, you can beat Camaro's and most Mustang's too. Just be happy with that and keep your warranty.
chris
03-15-2003, 06:21 PM
Vette Boss has the right idea.. You can't just go modifying things like mad, because your warranty will be gone.
Now, their are some rare exceptions, like the tuned Benz cars, from Carlsson, and Brabus.. In Australia, Benz will honour their warranty, on modified cars, but, they'll only look after the stuff that hasn't been modified.. For the rest, Carlsson/Brabus dealer look after that.
But, those are different things to what blackice111288
is talking about.. I presume blackice would be left to look after his own modifications, and fix it, if they all went wrong.
I admit, I have little time for most tuner modified cars. Only tuner modified cars that interest me, are from companies like Alpina, and Brabus. They are well regarded, and have good reputations.
In Alpinas case, it's not just performance modifications, but, subtle exterior modifications, and very tastefully done interiors, with very expensive materials used.
blackice111288
03-16-2003, 03:43 PM
i could see me now..... nice lance evo7 all tuned up. lets see 12:09 a.m., a civic just set up a race on a back street some where, we pull of, im winning, at about 127mph i slip gear and tear up my cluctch plate, i clip a phone pole on the right and flip and land on my wheels with the engine all smashed up and.. and..... then i wake up from this horrible nightmare :z:yikes:
blackice111288
03-16-2003, 03:47 PM
but since used cars normally dont come with warantys, i can go crazy.. if i dont go broke first! if u had a choice between 2 cars to tune and race with your on cash, would you pick a 1988 CR-X Si with a B16A swap or eclipse turbo?
VQ
03-17-2003, 10:25 PM
no offence but I would get this thing:
http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/action/modeloverview?modelid=6000
and modify it from factory to look like this:
damn it the internet is taking to long!! BUt if u go to that website and look at hte 3d thing u will eventully see the one one I want.
ALsot he View piont 3d media is pretty good hey? I want to do somehting like that with my VN eventully and my future cars.
blackice111288
03-18-2003, 12:26 PM
i think im gonna move to aulstrailia now that ive seen ALL the holdens!!! Tha barina SRi is hot-are they faster than civics? and i thought that opel made astras.
how much is $23,430 in american dollars? i think i wanna sell my crx and get a Barina:love:
that yellow monaro was screamin to me for a turbo and lowering spings and a spoiler. do they have bodykits for monaro's?
Vette Boss
03-18-2003, 12:52 PM
ROFL.. A bodykit on a Monaro.. I doubt that. ^_^ ^_^ ^_^
chris
03-18-2003, 04:28 PM
Nope.. No bodykits exist for a Monaro! (Good!)
It'd be vandalism to put a bodykit on such a car. Why would you need to modify the styling of such a fine looking car?
If you want more performance, then, your next step is HSV, who will sell you a fine 7.0 litre version of the Monaro for about AUD$225,000.. Add another $10,000 or so to the price, and, they'll give you the 625hp version of the engine. Be warned, this car doesn't have rear seats (a roll-cage exists right through the back), it doesn't have a stereo, and, it doesn't have air-conditioning either.
It does have huge 6 piston brakes, though, so it stops fast. And it also has a sparco racing steering wheel, fitted with the necessary controls to operate the Motec digital display, that replaces the standard instrument dials. The Motec display can show speed, engine revs, coolant temperatures, engine temperatures, lap times, sector times, and also, I believe it can show maximum speed achieved at the end of the straights, before you start braking, too. Very much the sort of stuff you expect on something that is pretty much a race machine.
This car is indeed HSV (Holden Special Vehicles) rival for the 911 GT2 Clubsport.
Now, about the Barinas (Opel Corsa).. They are not that fast, at all, but, where a good choice.. But, since Honda Jazz VTi-S with CVT transmission has arrived, that is the only choice, now.
The Astra, so far as I know, comes in only conservative dark tones, or, silver (mostly because of its original market), but it is a good car. Well built, handles fine. The teutonic interior takes some getting used to. Dark as a coal-mine, and, the seats are VERY hard. But they are supportive, and, one gets used to the firmness of them, in the long run.
Their is also the Astra Cabriolet Bertone, too, that comes from Italy. It's a good deal. Great looking, and well built. Good price too.