What a car! One for the V8 fans, this beast.. [Archive]

12-10-2002, 09:01 PM

1. See this site:
http://www.motorvision-tv.com/

2. Click "Auto"
3. Click "Sendung 09-2001-3"
4. Click "Mercedes CLK 55 AMG DigiTec"

Now take a look at that beast. Try the SDSL link, on the player, too, if you want better quality video, or TV-DSL.

This is the Mercedes Benz CLK55 AMG, tuned by Digitec.. What will it do? This:

Engine: 5.5 litre Alloy SOHC V8, 24 valves
Power: 401hp
Transmission: Daimler 5 speed automatic, with AMG Speed-Shift.
0-100km/hr: 4.9 seconds
Top Speed: 311km/hr
Sound: Lots of it, and, quite LOUD!
Oversteer: Flick the ESP off, and it stays off, on this thing..

But, watch the speedometre, and look at the prominent warning triangle (the ! in the centre). It blinks worriedly, trying to warn the driver that traction is lost.. ^_^

Anyhow, you've got to see the video, to understand.. The last scene in the roadtest says it all.. It looks like a hell of a lot of fun! :D If you want to get attention, then this is right for you.. With that raucous sound from the exhausts, it'd be hard not to notice it. Listen to it, in the tunnels..

The standard CLK55 AMG has just 367hp, in comparison, and doesn't thunder like this thing does.

Hope you like it. Feel free to comment about it.

Vette Boss

12-14-2002, 10:52 AM

That is one badass car. It'd be perfect if you could have one with a 6-speed manual. :love:

Frank N. O.

12-14-2002, 10:57 AM

How the heck can a big tank like a Merc do 311 kph with just 400 hp????? I think it's possible for a lighter low-drag sedan/coupe but not with a heavy car like that.

Frank Oreskov

FDA

12-14-2002, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by Frank N. O.
How the heck can a big tank like a Merc do 311 kph with just 400 hp????? I think it's possible for a lighter low-drag sedan/coupe but not with a heavy car like that.

Frank Oreskov

Top speed isn't affected by weight nearly as much as acceleration is. For instance, cars built to run at Bonneville, from what I understand, don't need to be built especially light.

Vette Boss

12-14-2002, 01:07 PM

I saw on this motorsport thing where one of the trucks weighed 12,000+lbs and can do 275mph according to the driver. It has a 6-cyl. diesel, I forget the specs though.

Radical-Al

12-14-2002, 01:27 PM

The car that has the world land speed record now, Thrust SSC weighed 10 tons.

12-15-2002, 02:52 AM

Yeah land speed cars need wieght because otherwise they will just fly I think. Locomotives for instance, my Dad is a train driver for Freight Australia and some of the trains they have are G class (the only trains I seem to go on trips with him on) and they can get pretty fast if you had a straight enough peice of track and it was going downhill and they were pulling nothing then you could probalbly get pretty fast if the bogies could handle the speed that is.

Frank N. O.

12-15-2002, 07:12 PM

The Thrust SSC has like 100,000+ horsepower so the weight-to-power ratio is extreme. A 1600 kg car with 400 hp doesn't.

As far as I know it could weigh 50 tons and still be in danger of takeof if the aerodynamics weren't right. The engines also points upwards slightly to push the car down, or so it seems. The 10 tons are because they needed to make a steel frame strong enough to make sure the extreme engines power didn't rip the car apart.

Frank Oreskov

12-16-2002, 05:15 AM

The CLK55 is already pretty fast, you know, and, is indeed only limited by that electronic speed limiter, that softly stops the car from accelerating above 250km/hr.. It actually goes a little bit better than that, but, then it pulls back a bit, and just sits their, on 250km/hr.

Remove the limiter, and its a whole new story.. Plus they've added power, too..

blackice111288

12-16-2002, 01:01 PM

If you think Benzes are tight(which i dont), here are a couple of bad bimmers.
Dinan S2-M5
Vehicle type: front-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
Price as tested: $109,472
Engine type: DOHC 32-valve V-8, aluminum block and heads, Siemens MSS 52/Dinan engine-control system with port fuel injection
Displacement 302 cu in, 4941cc
Power (SAE net) 470 bhp @ 6900 rpm
Torque (SAE net) 419 lb-ft @ 5000 rpm
Transmission 6-speed manual
Wheelbase 111.4 in
Length 188.3 in
Curb weight 3995 lb
Zero to 60 mph 4.1 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph 4.7 sec
Standing 1/4-mile 12.7 sec @ 113 mph
Top speed (mfr's est) 191 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph 163 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad 0.87 g

HARTGE H50 V-8 E46
Vehicle type: front-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 2-door sedan
Price as tested: $120,000 Engine type: DOHC 32-valve V-8, aluminum block and heads, Bosch Motronic MSS 52 engine-control system with port fuel injection
Displacement............................302 cu in, 4941cc
Power (SAE net).........................394 bhp @ 6600 rpm
Torque (SAE net)........................369 lb-ft @ 3800 rpm
Transmission.............................6-speed manual
Wheelbase.................................107.3 in
Length....................................176.7 in
Curb weight...............................3520 lb
Zero to 60 mph............................4.5 sec
Standing 1/4-mile......................12.9 sec @ 113 mph
Top speed (C/D est)......................180 mph
Braking, 70Ð0 mph........................168 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad..........0.89 g

AND BOTH ARE NATURALLY ASPIRATED!!!!!!base price includes tuning parts.
i saw a Nissan R32 Skyline that had 1000+bhp and it reved to 15000 rpm's! it cut 8's and 9's in the 1/4 mile(400 meters)

FDA

12-16-2002, 03:25 PM

You know the old Mercedes 600 Limo would do over 120 mph, and it not only didn't have near the power of this car, it was shaped like a brick. The 600 Sedan (same brick shape, somewhat shorter) did 127 mph, and had 250 hp and weighed over 5,400 pounds. And the good old 300SEL 6.3, Mercedes' copy of the standard Detroit muscle-car formula (take engine from big car, put it in medium-sized chassis) would pull over 135 mph with an only slightly less brick-shaped body.

The new cars, even those which seem rather bulky, have much smoother aerodynamics, esp. due to attention to details around bumpers and such.

DCMattius

12-16-2002, 05:42 PM

Did you guys watch the Porsche one? It's at Sendung 04-2002-1...pretty cool.

Matt

12-16-2002, 06:08 PM

blackice111288: Bustle boots have cured my love of BMW cars.. E65 and Z4 are just terrible, just terrible (especially the complexity of its interior, changing stuff like the ventilation will drive you mad).

I still love the old stuff, like the V12 5.6 litre 850CSi, and, some of the newer stuff, but, the latest styles, like Z4, E65, and so on, are just dumb..

Admittedly, the E65 7er is aimed at a select segment where wealth doesn't necessarily equate to discerning taste, as is the Z4, to some extent. At least Benz is not building stuff that is ugly like that. And besides, who could argue with an SL55 AMG.. Super fast, refined, and, straight from the factory with a solid warranty..

The only tuned cars I like, do not have ugly bodykits on them, though.. Although I do like this tuned CLK55, I wouldn't want to own it.

blackice111288

12-17-2002, 12:27 PM

benzes dont suck, i just think they are too fancy. i would prefer a viper venom 800 over them both

12-17-2002, 06:14 PM

DCMattius: That was the 8 part one, with Maximillian Engert?

I watched that one. Pretty nice. That new updated 996 certainly sounds good.. Though I'm still not sure about those new headlights..

But, still, it's hard to go wrong with a 911. They are certainly durable, reliable cars, and pretty swift, too.

But, Maserati Coupé is what I'd choose, instead, now.

blackice111288: That Viper is from the Henessey Motorsports lot, isn't it? They seem to have gotten themselves quite a bad name, now, from what I've heard..

I'm always wary of tuner modified cars, since they are usually always a risk.. Brabus and Alpina are pretty safe, though, so it seems. Brabus has a simple way of making fast cars.. Just take an already big engine, make it even larger, then, add supercharging to it..

They did something like this to a CLK, as well as subtly widening the body, and making some other changes. The engine was a 7355cm³ V12, and I think it had supercharging.. The mad beast did 370km/hr, and 0-100km/hr in 3.0 seconds, still with the 5 speed automatic, and with a comfortable, 4 seat interior, and useable, practical trunk/boot/kofferraum at the back.

I can't remember the exact power outputs and torque outputs, but like Brabus' other stuff, they were outrageous.

They don't list it on their site, www.brabus.de anymore, sadly.. It was listed under W208.. :(

Justin Martin

12-18-2002, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by chris
blackice111288: That Viper is from the Henessey Motorsports lot, isn't it? They seem to have gotten themselves quite a bad name, now, from what I've heard..

But they treat us locals great, it's just those durn foreigners (non-Texans) that stir up all the trouble. ^_^ Some of the things they're accused of doing are pretty pathetic though....

While we're in this price range, i'd have to say that i'd go for a Panoz Esperante. They look great, handle great, and are incredibly well built, expecially for a cottage industry company.

DCMattius

12-19-2002, 07:57 AM

Hey, this could almost go as an RX7:

http://www.panoz.com/uploads/5.1/484a05xeea3cc2532xy7fcd.jpg

It has the back of a Z4: http://www.panoz.com/uploads/5.1/484a05xeea3cc2532xy7fcc.jpg

could be mistaked as a miata from the front: http://www.panoz.com/uploads/5.1/dc67exed39c15c61xx7fff.jpg

That interior though...that definately has style: http://www.panoz.com/uploads/5.1/dc67exed39c15c61xx8000.jpg

Justin Martin

12-19-2002, 01:18 PM

Heh, back end of a Z4? If so, then BMW's designers must have copied it off Panoz, since the Esperante's been around for a few years. ;) I dunno, it's really just the classic rear end shape, same as you see in the Miata, Shelby Series 1, some TVR's, Marcos, Z3 & Z4, etc. I think the Esperante's back end is pretty, the Z4 has weird shapes that don't go together, while the Esperante has a nice, flowing rear end where everything fits together.

Same goes for the front end, it's just classic styling cues that many cars use. I don't seen any Miata resemblence there, if anything, i'd go more for a Porsche 911 or older TVR resemblence. And besides, I don't think you can call anything a rip-off of a Miata, since the original Miata is a blatent rip-off of the Lotus Elan, (not that that is a bad thing, if you're gonna copy a car, might as well copy the best. :D) and the current Miata is just a update, styling-wise, of the first one.

The interior of the Esperante is the one thing i'd change, i'm not wild about that center instrument cluster, it's the bad interior design nightmare that just won't go away. Not everything from the old days is worth resurecting. Other than the ergronomics, it's a very nice interior, and Panoz is still small enough that such flaws are dismissed as "character"

12-19-2002, 02:24 PM

Well the instument cluster iun the center can be usefull cos then itz easier to have it LHD and RHD but it is more harmfull cos it isn't aimed one way or another like in the Toyata echo (seen it in the ads) and that is supposedly meant to make it easier to drive as u see down the center of the road.

Justin Martin

12-19-2002, 03:39 PM

Admitedly, I haven't driven a car with a center instrument cluster, but everyone I know who has hates them, and sitting in an Echo didn't help my opinion either. It's just unnatural and defies logic to not have frequently viewed controls directly in from of you. In my opinion, having the cluster off to the side is worse, because it forces you to look down and over to check your speed.

blackice111288

12-19-2002, 06:20 PM

From the side, I thought that was a TVR Cerbera. but from the front, the Esperante has those distinctive headlights, kinda like a pair of new model Miata's head lights set up vertically.

I saw a parked 350 Z At the mall last week. That car is off the hizook. It's got a 2.7litre 287 bhp V-6. I forgot the specs, though its in last months Super Street Magazine. I heared the the new Skyline R35 GT-R is supposed to be in america with a twin turbo V-8. I dont know what is gonna look like, though. I saw one design that looks like a R-34 with different aerodynamics and a bigger spoiler. I also saw a design that looks like a futuristic Infinity G35, but it was kinda ugly. i'll try to get pics(i forgot the website).

Vette Boss

12-19-2002, 07:03 PM

blackice: I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but the 350Z has a 3.5L V6, not 2.7L.

chris

12-19-2002, 11:05 PM

And the 350Z is a heavy thing, too.. The weight more than makes up for the big power output.

But, anyhow, with the freshly updated Boxster being so superb in every respect (it really is excellent, trust me, you'd love it), their really isn't much of a reason to choose the 350Z, unless you are addicted to its engine sound, and the looks.. (I could understand).

Nissan sees it as a real Boxster rival, but, I see it as a direct rival for the TT 3.2 Quattro. The two are so similar.

blackice111288: I believe you'll find that the new GT-R will probably have a twin-turbo V6, for the Japanese market, with 280hp.. I heard a highly tuned normally aspirated 4.5 litre V8 was on the cards, too, for export markets (non-Japan). I've seen, and heard the new one, on the road, and, it was definately a V8, and a large-ish one at that. (Very fast, too).

Either it's not turbocharged, or, it uses some trick engine management system, to prevent the turbos from overboosting, like the Saab Trionics one does.

How it looks? Brutal is the word. Devastatingly brutal.

IH8COPS: Centre instrument displays are a bit strange, though, the Echo/Yaris' one works well, with familiarity. But, ones that are not angled towards the driver, like in Nissan X-Trail, and so on, are just stupid.

Vette Boss

12-20-2002, 12:59 AM

The 350Z is in comparison with the Audi TT, Honda S2000, and the Ford Mustang GT/Mach-1, according to Car and Driver. Despite being heavy as you call it, the 350Z still won the comparison. :p To say a 350Z would be in comparision to Porsche Boxster is completely wrong, even the base Boxster costs $43,000, over $50,000 for a Boxster S.

chris

12-20-2002, 05:04 AM

Of course, in my country, it's price is rather close to the Boxster.. So we tend to stick the S2000, Boxster, TT, and others all in the same category.. For good measure, you could throw in the Mazda MX-5 SP, that'll toast all but the 350Z, on the straights (150kW, 280Nm, and with no extra weight), and it's not to slack through corners either..

I somewhat like that turbocharged MX-5 SP.. It looks just like a normal MX-5, except for the tiny little "SP" badge on the back of it.. The first thing you know, the thing has screamed past, much quicker than you'd have expected..

Ultimate "Q" car, that one.. For price, it's a lot cheaper.. It's about AUD$55,000, and, a 350Z is about AUD$80,000 or so, the S2000 is almost AUD$80,000, and the Boxster is about AUD$100,000.. The TT 3.2 Quattro hasn't arrived yet, but, given the very expensive price of the TT Quattro (1.8T), the 3.2 would surely be above 2.7 litre Boxster pricing.

The hefty price of the Boxster doesn't seem to deter people, however, judging by the masses of them on the roads. Even more suprising, they all seem to be the even more expensive "S" model.

Not to mention, a few of these Boxsters running around have 911 3.4 litre engines in them.. :eek: You'd never pick them either, except for the much deeper engine note. Visually, they are nearly identical to a normal Boxster S. The GT3 front spoiler and GT3 wheels are the giveaway, though..

It's called the Boxster Carrera, and, is quicker on a race-track than a 3.8 litre (air-cooled 993 model) Carrera RS Clubpsort..

A guy in Australia called Peter Fitzgerald (a well known long time Porsche racer) does them.. You can see his website at this address:

Fitzgerald Racing Services Pty. Ltd.:
http://www.fitz-racing.com.au/

He also does a supercharged Boxster, too.. 50hp more than standard, and, it doubles the standard torque output.. &(

And this is how it looks:
http://www.fitz-racing.com.au/images/boxster_2000.gif

You'd never know it wasn't standard.. ^_^

For racing stuff, he deals now mostly with the old Carrera RSCS, and, the GT3 Clubsport, and GT3 Supercup models, but, also the older front-engined 944/968 series..

blackice111288

12-30-2002, 06:28 PM

Sorry, the new 350z is a 3.5 liter. Did any of yall know that the S2000 has the worlds most powerful engine per liter(2.0 liter 240 bhp inline 4 cyl. 120 bhp per liter).

America's possible Skyline is supposed to be a twin turbo V8. I read up on it.

Does america get MX-5 SP's? I have never heard of it before, but i dont really look in to mazdas exept for the RX-7's, but the new Mazda 6 is hot.

Here is a issue i have been pondering for a long while. For street tire drag racing in a 88' CRX, which is better: a super charger or a turbo? I know that a turbo runs off exhaust gasses and that it feeds the hot air through the intercooler and then the cooled air is forced to the cylinders. But I dont know how a supercharger works. Turbos generally produce more horse power, but a higher speed than a supercharger, but superchargers work in the entire RPM range and increase 0-60 better than turbos. Please correct me if i am wrong, but this is what my studies have concluded.

I got a friend in my school that has a 1997 Eagle Talon Twin turbo, but him and his father removed the twin turbos and installed a supercharger. He said they where running the engine real hard and the fuel started running to rich and the engine block detonated: he said it literally blew. So that kinda detered me from superchargers, even though that could happen to anyone if they are running to large fuel injectors or their ecu is not tuned properly

Cheyenne

12-30-2002, 07:12 PM

By blackice111288: Did any of yall know that the S2000 has the worlds most powerful engine per liter(2.0 liter 240 bhp inline 4 cyl. 120 bhp per liter).I certainly don't know every engine in the world, but, blackice111288, the stock 3rd Generation Mazda RX-7 (FD3S or FD3CS) is 1.3 litres and produced 255 hp in its original form ^_^ Later iterations of the 13b produced more horespower in their stock form, approaching 300hp in the 1999 Japanese model, still from the same 1.3 litres.

blackice111288

01-01-2003, 08:30 PM

dang, thats a lot of power output for such a small engine! I dunno, maybe that excludes rotaries.

FDA

01-02-2003, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by blackice111288
dang, thats a lot of power output for such a small engine! I dunno, maybe that excludes rotaries.

Well, the Derbi GPR 50cc street bike pulls 9 hp out of 3 cubic inches -- 180 hp/liter. :D

chris

01-05-2003, 06:20 AM

And, what about the Dauer Porsche 962 Le Mans (the fastest street legal standard production car in the world).

It has 730hp from just 2.996 litres. It is a semi-water-cooled flat-six (Air cooled cylinders, water cooled heads) in the classic 962 manner, with twin-turbocharging. It also has 700Nm of torque, too.

It equals a giant amount of horsepower per litre. And, plus, it only has to move 1130kg (the standard, non-competition spec version). This version is slightly heavier, but, includes all manner of luxury features, like DVD system, high end sound system, lots of sound proofing, to make it quieter..

The competition spec car, that is also road legal, is one of the most deafeningly noisy cars that you could imagine. In each gear, the engine blasts out a raucous scream. It has just 1080kg to move, so, the power to weight ratio is even more scary, as is the already frightening acceleration. What we have here is the almighty Porsche 962C Group C race car, that was nearly unbeatable, in a road legal form. You can get 300km/hr very easily, and quickly, and the top speed is above 400km/hr. And, their isn't any great drama in slowing down from such mind boggling speeds, since it has huge brakes, and can wash of 160km/hr or so in scant seconds.

All 50 that are built are actually 2nd hand cars, too. Since they are built from existing Porsche 956C/962C race cars. When you purchase the car, you also get a specially researched portfolio detailing the racing history of your car, and with all the times from all the races it participated in. The engines of course are brand new, and everything else is totally renewed. This ensures the value of the car.

Porsche still has a brand new 962C for sale, that has not been raced, at all, but, many buyers would consider it less valuable, because it doesn't have a racing history.. (Though I'd gladly have it). This 962C that Porsche has for sale shouldn't be confused with the Dauer Porsche 962 Le Mans..

This 962C is a pure racing car, not road legal. I'm not sure if it has the complex and very expensive (but excellent) PDK clutchless gearbox. I think it has more than 800hp, too.