Time for EA to reset the Stats?

[Cheyenne]

Now that Silent Witness has been released and in some quarters cheater activity is being reduced and the habitual offenders recognized in the community, would the NFS-Porsche players wish for EA to reset the stats/records?

DC_Targa has told me that EA Cadillac has been reassigned and currently it looks as if there is no liason to the NFS community (at least as far as I can tell), so it may not be possible to have this done, but what is everyone's thoughts on this? Please vote in the poll and post a reply giving some idea about why you voted how you did?

Personally, I vote for a reset. The stats are in a bit of a mess currently, and this can only help, though, it won't take care of any stat bugs we've all come to know and love. Besides, to me, fresh starts are always a good thing, it means new opportunities for everyone! :love:

[Radical-Al]

errr, yes and no is my opinion. Why yes? because some racers might have very fast records (including me, 1) and no because i've heard that the 60 356 (the variety) on tracks is the nuber 1 suspect for cheaters/hackers to make impossible times with.

[Sepecat]

Since I am somewhat new to Porsche. What do you mean by the stats and reseting it and so forth.? :beer:

[LuC!FeR]

I am 100% for a stats reset. at least it will clear all the clutter of changed personas etc. But unfortunately, we will still have those brain dead "Cheats" screwing everything up. Shame we can't reset their community spirits huh?

[JeffR]

If the stats get reset, would the NFSPU community be willing to accept 550a spyders with tires, specifically the 550a slicks (there are also normal and rain tires), as long as all have access to them(like here at racerplanet...). Note that you could still have races with "normal" tires, using Silent Witness to verify no one is cheating, similar to running "stock" races.

If so, I could create a utility to "fix" a .SAV file, so that a player wouldn't have to adjust any of their existing settings.

This is a "quest" of mine, to unlock all of the features in NFSPU, that I feel EA intended, but left out by mistake.

There are 2 other "fixes" that I'd like to include:

1997 911 - allow professional racing brakes

1960 356B - any car, allow standard bumpbers

The NFSHS community has taken it upon themselves to make updates for NFSHS, mostly improvments in the online menu system, and to allow all EA cars (the aussie MHRT being the most popular) to be used online in "all car" or MHRT pits. I'm hoping the same can be done for NFSPU.

[Flitchy]

I voted yes for a reset.

My thoughts are that it will get rid of those cheat/server error times and give people who have only been playing online for a short time, like myself, a better chance of getting a listing on the records when they don't have to contend with a lot of the top times, in some cases, being bogus.

Although I understand that people who have played for a long time and worked hard at getting great times would lose their listings, will they not still be kept at the deadlineracers site, as with previous resets?

Ok, so slightly selfish reasons, but I think it would benefit everyone overall.

Flitchy

[way124]

Hehe I Glide won't be too happy about this reset thing ;)

IMO the stats mean nothing to me, other than the number of races. Are they going to reset to number of races too? :'(

It doesn't really matter, and you can be sure that the only person who voted the third option is me :)

[DC_Dogz]

Clean the slate again, I pulled a nice 2:44 on alps fwd in the 95 only to see 1st to about 12th are all hacked times...bit disapointing.

Most of the 356 times are screwed.. too

go for it

[DC_Targa]

I voted for a reset. I don't believe creating an unlevel playing field by starting to introduce anything that isn't included in version 3.5 of the game is a good idea.

DC_Targa

[Wazza]

you would lose some key racers I'm betting...

such as [SK]BOSS.. he's already on the verge of giving up.. but im always on his back getting him to race such as last night...

me personally.. if there wouldd be a reset.. then there wouldnt be much point in me going for 420 records over the next few weeks.. I was going to.. but it would seem useless if they were reset a week later, and have nothing to show for it...

well thats the bad part..

good part yes!... no more cheaters.. but friggin HK team is getting worse.. more names... and Schwaz is a key one of hacked times... well they use the hole, to jump half way across the track...

if DR could fix their stats then great.. but they pay $2000 a year to maintain the costs... (i think thats right.. recently talking to DR-AS)... but then they also dont have time to fix them.. they know the stats are buggy.. such as banned peoples times still show up... and they are always receiving emails from teams asking to add member.s. i bet they have got 20 from different SK people trying to add on BOSS, FR2, FF2, etc.... they just have other things on their minds.. what if they closed the NFS5 section?

could someone else use their code?
perhaps thats what we could do if the stats were reset.. place stats on racerplanet... and some dedicated people to ban people.. (they add them to a list, and save it.. and then the website blocks the persons times from showing)..

mmm

[Sepecat]

I say get rid of a it cause people like me needs to get in ther lol.

Me it will take along time but still would love to see my name up there lol. ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ :beer: :beer: :beer:

[Wazza]

Well on the last stats reset.. i got all MC times in 4 days, with 107 World Records.. made my stats look great... 107 WRs from 198 top 50s...

[DaveR]

I vote YES for a stats reset.

Here's my reasoning:

As a relative newbie, I can't really tell what is a realistic record (and time to aim for) from what is a cheat. I have an idea from people in this forum taling about their great runs, but there are too many strange times in the Top 50 to verfiy. For records that are like 00:35 on Cote or Pyrenees it is obvious that they are errors. But when you see times around 1:41-1:51 on these tracks, there is a bit of a grey area. I want to know what is a realistically, achievable time. And as I have not been playing online very long, I have not seen the records changing, so I've got no reference for what is and is not a legitimate time.

I could also say that I like the idea of having a clean slate and therefore the opportunity to make the top 50. But the chances of me getting to that level in the near future are small. But for other players, it is something to look forward to.

I can understand that those who do have legitimate records would be keen to protect them. And that is fair enough. But can't we suggest they be archived somewhere? Even so, it just means that all you freaks can experience the thrill of racking up your awesome times all over again!

I believe that the only way to resolve this stats/hackers/cheaters issue once and for all is to start the stats list again.

But I guarantee - someone, sometime, is going to find and exploit a weakness in the Silent Witness program.

Question - will a reset of the Top 50 times have any impact on your individual and team/clan rankings?

[DaveR]

This might seem obvious to everyone, so correct me if I am wrong - I'm new to NFSPU and still learning how everything works.

If the stats are reset, what is there to stop a cheater from simply jumping back on with a hacked car and posting another illegitimate time to a now cleared stats board? Is there a mechansim for banning identified cheaters? It seems to me that without an agreed process for banning cheaters, and without a process for the continual deletion of cheated records from the stats list, there is no point. We will all know that the time was achieved with a hack, but it will still appear on the list.

[ArtDent]

DaveR said:
If the stats are reset, what is there to stop a cheater from simply jumping back on with a hacked car and posting another illegitimate time to a now cleared stats board? Is there a mechansim for banning identified cheaters? It seems to me that without an agreed process for banning cheaters, and without a process for the continual deletion of cheated records from the stats list, there is no point. We will all know that the time was achieved with a hack, but it will still appear on the list.


The people in this thread seem to be talking about two different stat pages, usually without specifying which, most of the 'vets' are actually talking about the Deadline Racers page that uses the EA stats, and tries to weed out the known cheaters and bug times. I think quite a few of the newer racers have been looking at the 'official' EA stat page.
This was what Wazza was wondering, whether someone could take over the handling of the 'community' page that has more time to put into it, to try to at least keep the times more realistic for a longer period.


DaveR also said :
Question - will a reset of the Top 50 times have any impact on your individual and team/clan rankings?


Yes, but, if you look at the Deadline site, they keep archived records of times before the reset, so people can still have bragging rights until they post all their new times.


I have always been in favor of having the stats reset on a regular basis. I believe it does indeed keep the game 'fresher', as well as making it more exciting for the newer racers, they can maybe get on the lists, then if they get pushed off, it may give them incentive to practice even more to get back on.
I think every 6 months or so would be cool, which means it is not quite time yet, hehe, didn't they do the last one in Feb.? Ok, every 4 or 5 months is acceptable also. ;)

For those that say we will lose some veterans, well, not everybody can stay with the game forever, those that leave would probably be leaving soon anyway.
My 2 cents.

[[XR]Evo]

I am about to vote yes on Stats reset...The last reset made for some fun racing, and indeed the 'hacks' only started appearing through time...It does seem KingPo is sick of NFSPU, and that the DR stats may have a use-by date...

It would be great to re-locate the whole DR stats code, as it definitely requires maintenance, to keep the archives relatively 'bug' free, and to cross-reference known cheats off the list. If someone was real bright, I'm sure they could improve on this code, and provide automatic editing of clearly 'bogus' times etc. Although we are all dreaming, it is great to imagine another stats reset...Hrmm, given EA won't 'reset', perphaps someone with programming 'nouse' could whip-up a 'new' DR style code, to filter EA's existing database. If Someone was 'really' good, they could hack into EA's stats server, and remove all the old records themselves :idea: Now that would be impressive, and would yield basically uncorrupted times, which was DR's claim to fame when KingPo was actively working on NFSPU! Anyone good hackers out there, we'll reset the stats ourselves!

[[XR]SUE52]

I think it would be wonderful to have a reset and it would certainly open up a few more spots by removing the multiple personas for a while. It would also be terrific if somehow new stats listing for stock only cars could be included. What we must not forget in the pursuit of track times is the fun side of just driving for the pleasure of it, meeting each other and making great friends.
Edited to cover up embarrassing spelling mistakes !!


Oh and I would like to say I think Chey is a magnificent person to suggest a reset especially while being at the top. Chey you may only be my virtual sister but you are the best friend ever too - you give so much and ask so little - many many thanks. :beer: :clap: =)^
Hope all goes well for you on the b/f front.

[DCsplash]

Yes here also, to a reset of the stats...

No to playing anything other then V3.5 of the game..

[DCMattius]

Sounds good to me Chey..now's a good a time as any.

DCMattius
Fair-Fun-Fast
Demolition Crew

[LuC!FeR]

I assume the DR stats are stored in a MySQL DB? If so, then I could implement it on my site. but, obviouly, DR would have to agree to let thier code go....

[DCWeasel]

A reset is fine by me. It always breathes new life into the game. Rookies can finally achieve some records and feel inspired to go on, Pros can renew their attacks on the stats and each other!
"Racing Seasons" is sort of how I look at the time between resets. It would be a good thing to have them reset every six months and it would just be a part of bragging rights to be able to say "I ranked #1 with my GT1, spring/summer 2002!". But since we can only get what we can get from EA all we can do is ask.
I'm forwarding this thread to Rick in game development at EA (he'll get our message to someone who can do it; it's if they will do it we gotta wonder.) when we have a few more people posting. It wouldn't do to send them the opinion of only 20 or so people. Giggle... I'll edit this out before I send it to 'em, k? Now lets get a bunch more people to do this poll eh?
Thx for posting the poll, Chey. It is time for a fresh start.
-^

[DC Silicon]

Yes

After the last reset it wasnt much time gone by when they srewed up if i remember correctly....some newbies will quickly try the skidpad again, and whole thing will be necessary again. No way to get rid of cheaters also, you can do it only after they set a time.
So if anyones listen at EA, reset them every 3 months. Closing the possibility of using skidpad online may expand the time to 6 months, but never more i think.

[TraffikD]

I really have no opinion on the matter because I'm not an active racer. My only little rant of this is that unless stats are run by the community or we are given access to some form of database, there's not much you can do. However, I'm going to blargh on about something else.

Anyone notice that just as Caddy was starting to really devote himself and help the NFS community that EA reassigned him? I guess they didn't want anyone getting involved with us as if we were some subordinate species. The hive mind at EA works in really f*cked up ways and I'm getting sick of it (well, I already am, but whatever).

I wish EA would get more actively involved and support our community. Just as Maxis supports TheSims (like 5 expansion packs in 2 years) and SimCity.

* sigh *

[SpEcTrUm]

Ok, lets do it again....

I Agree, STATS RESET.

[Cheyenne]

Hello, everyone! I want to thank you for taking the time to vote and post. It's actually quite surprising. I did think the majority would probabl welcome a reset, but that there would be a significant and somewhat "celebrated" minority who would be opposed. I find the result as it stands currently very interesting.

Also, as a note, [XR]SUE, DCWeasel, I appreciate your thanks in relation to the post. In my own defense ^_^ I have been thinking a lot about this issue and have been contemplating a thread about, but the actualy credit for this goes to DC_Targa, it was at his suggestion and direct prompting that I posted this poll.

I would like to also say that I appreciate very much everyone's additional comments on what they would like to see with regard to the stats, off-EAsite analysis, perhaps to someone or somewhere that may be more keen on it, what frequency we would like to see stats resets, whether we want additions or changes (like separate "stock" stats). I think it's all very good and it's all very "healthy" for us as a community to do this.

Not that what I think sets what is "real", but just my opinion on where we, as a community, stand in relation to our desires:

I believe that EA's stats database is very unautomated. I think it can "run" by itself (in a very buggy condition) but it was always designed to be monitored. That's the "beta" aspect of what we have for online play. It has not been properly debugged and automated. I think in order for a reset, EA would have to assign an employ to go in, in essence to a reformat and reinstall of all their software and then initiate it or set it in motion. Because of all the internal firings and reassigments I think it may be likely that the person or people best qualified to do this work may be on other projects, have grown unfamiliar with this procedure or have moved to other career opportunites. what this would mean is ea would have to have an employee familiarize themselves with the process, train themselves, in essence before it could be undertaken. Their reassignment of Cadillac suggests that the resources of a single employee may be more than they want to spend on this game and the community that still devotes time to it. To me, that's not a promising situation for a stats reset.

Still, this is our voice. You never know when someone with vision at EA may be listening now or tune in in the future, or even some other company may come here and see, and take inspiration from their customers to build something responsive to the needs and wants of those customers.

Your opinion matters, at the very least to me, and I'd wager to your other sisters and brothers in the community and places and people we have yet to see or meet. So do not despair. Enjoy what we have, speak out about what you want. At the absolute worst, some form of understanding and even perhaps consensus can be taken away from this discussion.

Thank you all. Dare to dream...

[jtace]

Great post Chey. :)

In DPK's [idea] thread I posted a thought about sending an email. It would be a good thought to have one of the points in the email be that we would like a stats reset, and also some help on getting the community to maintain the stats.

[prize]

i come late...

yes,good, reset, but please give me some time note down the top records, before it reset.
OK, i would do this tonight. each track ,each class of car's Top3 record. like this:
"
cote fw GT1
1 [LR]GLIDER '98 911 GT1 race version 1:59.09
2 OST- L.Q '98 911 GT1 race version 1:59.46
3 [eYe]Sili '98 911 GT1 race version 1:59.53 "

It's make by manual, my own option..distinguish what's real record, what's cheat or server mistake.

hmm...suggustions? Is it good? or need top 10?
I want do this because i know some people fight for wr, it's very hard to get a wr time. It is pity if the stats are all reset, the awesome records all disapper..

[Cheyenne]

Hi, Prize! Um, we can't make EA reset the stats. We're just soliciting community opinion with these postings. Maybe EA would do it, but I believe if they decided to do so they would tell us first and give us some warning.

Also you don't have to copy it by hand. You could do one of several things

One, you could copy and paste the info like this: Last update : 13.06.02 / 06:14
- Racer Auto Zeit Datum
1 KILLER G '50 356 1100 Cabriolet 2:36.62 26.02.02
2 [RR]TriG '56 356 A 1600 Super Speedster 2:54.71 10.02.02
3 RJ-prize '56 356 A 1600 Super Speedster 2:54.81 10.06.02
4 [eYe]Sili '56 356 A 1600 Super Speedster 2:54.96 28.01.02
5 [XR]Chey '56 356 A 1600 Super Speedster 2:55.65 13.02.02
6 [SK]BOSS '56 356 A 1600 Super Speedster 2:55.75 01.05.02
7 (AR) V8 '56 356 A 1600 Super Speedster 2:56.21 05.04.02
8 Chaul '56 356 A 1600 Super Speedster 2:56.34 08.06.02
9 [XR]FEZ '56 356 A 1600 Super Speedster 2:56.62 08.06.02
10 [XR]Rove '56 356 A 1600 Super Speedster 2:56.78 22.04.02


Or you could take a screen shot by hitting "Alt-Print Scrn" and copying and pasting that image to your MS Paint or other graphics application.

Or, simplest yet, if you are using Internet Explorer, you could click "File", then "Save As"m, give it a descriptive name lke 356A-Cote-Fw, then click "Save". As some of the page elements are scripted, color, the ad banners, certain buttons, etc, they won't be saved, but the reported textual data will be. If you're interested in saving the data, that would be the easiest because it would save the entire page for you. You could then just copy the resulting HTML files into a folder and zip them up and forget them.

[Cheyenne]

I spy a Cadillac! :love: :eek:

[(UK)KREW]

I agree, we should reset the stats to give newcomers (like me) to get on the records. Everyone on that has records are great drivers but like I said necomers need a chance.


Oh and I would like to say one more thing. I agree with what (XR)SUE said in her reply. (XR)CHEY is a great person she gives so much and asks for so little.Also I would like to thank (XR)CHEY for being there in my "needy" times.(Chey you know what I'm talking about.) 8)~ ^_^ :love: -^



Travis A.K.A (UK)KREW

[prize]

All right. Chey

But i will still plan to do do that, file save is too big.

[way124]

Originally posted by Spiderman
Try saving as .mht file instead of htm (under .htm) Prize. It saves the file as one file. I do this all the time. Also make sure you're using Internet Explorer ;)

[Cadillac]

Sorry to be so scarse... I got pulled from racing and am working on a new project now. I refuse to totally be absent from the racing scene... I make posts periodically at NFBS.

Targa contacted me and we are looking at doing a reset soon as it appears this is what you want and we can get it scheduled.

I'll return when plans are solidfied.

[Cheyenne]

Thank you very much, ~Cadillac~

It's tremendous to hear this from you. Again, thank you, thank you, thank you!

[DC_Targa]

Many thanks Mike!

Best Wishes,

Dennis

[Sepecat]

What is NFBS and maybe someone can link me so I can see what it is.

Thanks :beer:

[Wazza]

"Need for Better Speed".. i dont know where it is.. found a link a couple of weeks back... was a frequent vistor.. not anymore....

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Good to see you Caddy :D

Perhaps i could finally buy a wheel before the resets. .and compare my times joystick/vs wheel... :)

too busy for many months however.. this month... my dads away.. school prom at this school.. need lots of money... in July.. 5th-21st.. my best friend is coming back from Sydney.. i guess i need lots of money.....

and other day my dad paid $191 for 10% fee for Uni i still owed... well it was $1910... but they made me only pay 10% coz i said i would restart the stupid course.... ^_^
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so now i owe my dad around $500 including old bills from him... :D

[[XR]SUE52]

Thank you very much, Cadillac for your response.


But hold on a mo why are peeps not voting as I write this:-

Only 26 votes
39 Nine replies
BUT 374 THREE HUNDRED & SEVENTY FOUR views.

Come on people you don't have to reply to vote!

Please at least just choose one of the voting options.

Sue

[way124]

Hehe sue one person can view a page 10 times and will still be registered as 10 additional view. A person can reply 10 times and still be registered as 10 additional replies. Essentially with 29 votes, perhaps there are actually 29 unique users who replied and viewed this thread ;)

[Hank]

Reset please :))

[DC_Geezr]

-^ Yep, Thumbs up for a reset!!-^ It's the only way to eradicate all the bogus times,and the only way I can get any points!^_^

DC_RunWithTheNoobs/Ricadelic :rolleyes: ;)

[DCWeasel]

Thank you Caddi-Mike! Nice to see you're still around, it wouldn't be the same without you.
last time I tried to go to NFBS boards (about a week ago) my link was dead. No, I got the new link after the OLD NFBS site became that lovely foreign exotic site... (wink) but the new link I saved was the one that don't work now.
Anybody got a link to NFBS forums?

[DC Silicon]

My dear Vic,
try this one. (http://www.needforbetterspeed.net/forum/index.php)
Just in case you ever lose it again, on the official EA site theres a button called community. (http://www.earacing.com/Feedback.phtml) You might have a good chance that this link is updated if anything has changed.
Hope to meet you online mylady.

[(UK)KREW]

Hey all!! I finally got my name chanfed to (UK)KREW rather then Travis. (what a boring name ,hey?)Thank you CHEY for getting me in contact with the admin. How long ago was the last time this Caddilac guy raced? I don't think I ever met him. o-well I probably will eventually. okay i'll go now I'm sure I'm anoying you guys!!LOL!



8)~ -^ :beer:

[TraffikD]

I'd be willing to revise the DR Stats code. It's php so it'd be no problem from my standpoint. What about online.totalnfs.net? It doesn't appear to be used. Jtace? :)

Then KingPo would have to give permission.

I'm pretty sure I could add support for user submission of cheaters and etc. Sorta automate it more so it is done faster.

I dunno. I'm bored.

[DC_Targa]

That would be great DPK. Maybe you could contact KingPo and see if he would give permission to use the code. One BIG consideration however is the bandwidth. I know NCOPS was hosted here. If racerplanet hosted the stats I don't know how much more bandwidth ($$) that would take.

Regards,

DC_Targa

[DC Silicon]

Hi,
i just talked to KPO a bit. He asks you all for a bit patience, his job is keeping him extremly busy since a while. He has to pass 12 exams in the next week, and he had to learn for it.
Of course he will continue and improve his work, it just needs a bit more time. Hes also aware of a possible reset, so hell do a backup to keep the stats stored as they are right now.

[[DR]KingPo]

hehe... hello @all...
regards from good old germany.... ;)

the last month i do relly much for the work/studium, so i have to write an exam ( hope is in english the same meaning) ....
and now i hav ti write 12 .... ähhhh exams... lol ;)

also i spent a lot of time for the programming of our forum...

i looking foorward to the next weeks... i think i will find time to improve the stats...

regards
[DR]King Po

[Cheyenne]

Hi, KingPo!

Yes, I think we all can understand your English very well. Thank you very much for your post.

Best of luck to you on your exams. I hope you do very well with them. And thank you for creating and maintaining one of the most precious resources to the NFS community! :beer:

[TraffikD]

Keep up the good work King, and study hard for those exams. :)

[[RR]TriG]

Hi ALL,
I Vote for reset of Stats. The last reset really seemed to renew everyones interest in the game :) .
C Ya On The Road,
TriG

[FIATLOVE]

Hi all,

I vote YES for reset of stats, they look messy with all those cheated times, there are also many racers among the timechasers who has changed their names lately caused team-joining and fills up stats with double set of times, makin it even harder for those who fight to make the top50's.
Is it planned to update the banlist-functionality at DR before the reset? Would be great if there is time to make it.
Anyway, Billions of thank's to you [DR]King PO, DR-sites is like sent from above for a geek like me! And billions of thank's Caddy, you make us :love: EA!

UNO's FOREVER!:beer:

[NO]Head

[Cadillac]

Way cool to see KPO, Wazza, DPK, and the rest of you gearheads still hanging around the forums.

NFBS, the forum of HS racers that dragged my rear into racing support, is still up and running over at the following URL:

Need For Better Speed (http://www.needforbetterspeed.net/forum/)

I am starting to get pinged more and more lately by the folks in marketing who are getting email from the various fansites. They (the players) want to know about what kind of features will be available in Hot Pursuit II. If you are interested, I'll pass this information along (and will also be posting it at NFBS as well).

See you in the pits, :beer:

Yes, please pass some info on. Feel free to post any info here.. -^

I'm one of the NFS community veterans myself, been around here since the old NFS4 was still new.. I mainly concern myself with making 3d meshes, and occasionally putting some of them into NFS4.. (I'm also seen, though not so often, in the NFSPU pits)..

It might be nice if a future NFS title would have the ability to be edited, like NFS4.. Just an idea.. ;)

[jtace]

Heya Caddy! :)

Yeah I know everyone over here is always looking for new info on NFS 6.


DPK, that's cool with me if it's needed.

[TraffikD]

Originally posted by Cadillac
I am starting to get pinged more and more lately by the folks in marketing who are getting email from the various fansites. They (the players) want to know about what kind of features will be available in Hot Pursuit II. If you are interested, I'll pass this information along (and will also be posting it at NFBS as well).

Yeah, I've been sorta annoying EA's PR guys with my continuous stream of emails. ^_^

:help:

Jtace: I've sorta been toying around with some code to pull some stats from EAR's site. Haven't really done much because I don't know if I want to get too involved in anything now. I think KingPo has a good handle on it anyways. :)

[[XR](\/)power]

-^

[DC_Tox]

Voted yes -^

Thanks Caddy for your support -^ -^ -^

[[SK]HiLL]

Hi all, Chey, Caddy!!

I voted YES....a resounding YES!!!!

The stats at EA Racing are so messed up. I think they should be reset about every 6 months...seasonally.

But, there has been a lot of good questions and concerns brought up in this thread.

Will EA at least consider updating the code for the stats with something that will automatically detect and remove hacked car times? Will EA allow the NFS community to help maintain the stats at NO COST to EA?

I know that I certainly would be willing to help in any way that I can.

Terry

[DC_Targa]

Here is part of one of the messages I have been trading with Caddy:

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"Still, I have passed along your requests which at this point are:

1.) Total Score reset
2.) Disable all Cheat codes on the Stats server.

EA Canada usually replies speedily so news may come soon."
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Most people know that for online racing EA filtered-out the Gulliver cheat code since it gave an unfair advantage. Chey and a number of others have commented about the cheat codes causing stats corruption. I did some testing off-line in Evolution tournaments using my SW test persona (CTtest1). I won't mention how this was done. However I did not use anything that didn't come with the game. Nothing was edited, period.

Have a look at the new MC5 WR offline record holder.

You will likely understand request #2 above...

BTW, that was the 93 turbo not the faster 95 turbo.

Edit: I see Caddy is here right now! Welcome!

[DC_Tox]

Oh yes, Dennis, we all know that infamous way to corrupt the race times, still available on the Stats servers and still USED (I saw it again only 2 nights ago...:()

c ya

[DC_Targa]

Got another message from Caddy yesterday. Still no news on the timing of the stats reset. If they do patch the server code to eliminate all the cheat codes, it may take a little longer than a simple database wipe.

DC_Targa

[[SK]HiLL]

What does everyone think of the possibilities of having the 928, 959, GT2 & GT3 in your own garage and being able to modify the settings, as normal, and be able to use them online...LEGALLY?

I, personally, would like to own them and be able to use them online.

Hey Dennis --
Do you know if EA is aware that the Spyder does'nt have any tires:p . Could this be something to consider as well?

Just posing the questions, NOT trying to start yet another war:D . Either way, I am fine with it. Just thought I'd ask. Since we, as a community, are asking EA to do something, should we ask that they fix these "possible" oversights?

Terry

[DC Silicon]

Originally posted by [SK]HiLL
What does everyone think of the possibilities of having the 928, 959, GT2 & GT3 in your own garage and being able to modify the settings, as normal, and be able to use them online...LEGALLY?
I, personally, would like to own them and be able to use them online.
Do you know if EA is aware that the Spyder does'nt have any tires:p . Could this be something to consider as well?
Just posing the questions, NOT trying to start yet another war:D . Either way, I am fine with it. Just thought I'd ask. Since we, as a community, are asking EA to do something, should we ask that they fix these "possible" oversights?
Terry

Oh yes Terry, and some tires for 959 also please :D
Well, much more requests than willing to do something i fear, we have this discussion, what, every 4 months ? I would welcome a new patch, but remember theres no man power for it cause there wont be income for EA. Good idea though, but it will remain a dream. Lets simply cross some fingers for a reset and the ban of the skidpad cheat.

[[SK]HiLL]

Hiya Sili --

The 959 don't have tires either?

No wonder it drives like a boat without a rudder! ^_^

Terry

[DC_Targa]

EA has been advised of all the bugs/cheats/hacks and things that have been requested to be done in PU.

Wiping the stats is reasonably easy. Last time I requested they do that it took less than 2 hours from the time of the request to the reset. Either the programmer spent his coffee break (pun intended) helping us, or was not totally imbedded in coding at the time. The cheat code request is a bit more complicated. That invloves a patch to the basic server code. Validation on a test server and a bit more. So far they have not said H@#$ no, which I perceive as a yes, it will be done.

Any changes to things that reside on our own machines is a whole different story. For example, adding the parts to the car file(s) is real easy. Translating the associated messages/dialogue box stuff into 20 different languages, that's a bit more of a chore. And then program documemtation, creating a new master, changing the autodetect/autoupdate code... and a lot more. It all just takes time and $$$. Untill someone breaks free and is not immersed in coding new games, I doubt it will happen.

I think it would be a great PR boost for EA. However I see the difficulty in trying to make a business case showing it will pay off.

Regards,

DC_Targa

[DCsplash]

I think EA have been clear about PU and any further development of it for a good while now...
If we get a stat reset, along with the cheat code request, we should consider ourselves lucky...

Of course any more then this would be fantastic, but i doubt it will happen..

[Bolt]

Sounds good to me.... its about time if I do say so myself;)

All the Best,
Ian [XR]Bolt

[Wazza]

is there any way to filter out the cheaters games.. such as RUSSAK... who continues to obliterate WRs.. when he takes down my WRs on MC1 bkw, MC2 bkw, MC4 fwd/bkw, i will go after him and kick his ass.. my hardest worked GT1 WRs....

where can I get a deadly virus from and send it to him?!!

:guns:

[Wazza]

or maybe we make it all cars are loaded from servers.. all stock.. only way of stopping cheaters maybe... and then only driver skill will show, rather than the setup kings..


really.. would there be a way to stop people racing who have incorrect values in their games.. such as detected in SW.. if thye joined the multiplayer.. went into a pit, and then raced..as soon as it realises they have a cheat, they get kicked to desktop.. :D

[way124]

Originally posted by Wazza
or maybe we make it all cars are loaded from servers.. all stock.. only way of stopping cheaters maybe... Finally I agree with you! We should all race stock! LOL ^_^ ^_^ ^_^

Yeah server stats wipe out doesn't guruantee (is that a word? guarantee) that cheaters' records won't be recorded again... so does server reset make a difference?

[Wazza]

mmmmmm

damn you have had a lot of races Way...


already 300 or 400 races as [SS]... i havent had the chance to race you properly.... ;)

[way124]

I'm a 24/7 stocker... if you've never raced in stock you'll never see me... hehehe

[Wazza]

I cant even race... i need a new PC.. especially before NFS6.. tooooo slow.. and my graphics card is never detecting.. yet when I open its fine.. ive downloaded several different drivers.. nothing can fix it... maybe it will work by itself again :(

edit: yes!! VERY SLOW!!!!!!... taken 3min so far to open photoshop 6.. only coz im printing.. soooooo slow.. and the pic im printing has come out with all the colours wrong!.. yellow is brown!@%#&% ..........

[way124]

Poor wazza. I can understand how it feels to be a NFS fanatic and not being able to play NFS :D get a new PC my NZ speedster.

[ltrt]

well! if that sweet little angel of mine says so,
imm all for it!

i always have a good time racing whit u all(real and good racers)!

so my vote is in favor for a reset as long as everyone wants the same!

heeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaa!
long life to nfspu!

oh!...gypsie lifts her paw in favor to!:Peace: :beer: ^_^

[Roger]

I'm getting discouraged with all the cheat times but even more with all the fast people changing their names.

It's bin sometime now no news! last time it was fast someone said reset next i see all times gone. So what are they doing!

Reset plz:confused:


RogerSE

[way124]

So far no one voted No... I guess if the resources are available stats reset is going to happen. But hmmm. I guess...

P: Resources are available
Q: Stats gets reset

P -> Q. If P is true and Q is false, then hte statement is false. But if you take the converse, Q -> P then you can see how important the resources are. P -> Q is logically equivalent to P /\ !Q, so if either P is false or Q is true, the statement is false...

Sorry math finals in 4 days :D

[Sjakki]

What a great idea. Get rid of those idiotic cheaters and let the real racers have a fair chance. Not that i think i will be able to get on the table for the next year^_^ , but at least i would have a chance.

[Wazza]

oh thx..but nah, i dont get the PC that often.. only at the moment coz my dad is in Australia.. and the last 2-3 months ive only had it during the day.. and next month i go back to University, and I;ll have very little time.. they throw assignments at you the first week.. I may be around a bit on Saturday and Sunday mornings as always :p

[ArtDent]

Way124 are you now [SS]Way? If so, after racing with you and who and 6 and all, you really need to change your avatar. You sure did not drive like that against me! ^_^
gr8 races, got a cheater too, woohoo

[DC_Targa]

It might not be a cheater. Please see my post right after yours in which you posted the replay.

Thanks,

DC_Targa

[way124]

Yes I was way124... sure I did drive like that, you just missed all the action ;)

Yeah Targa, read my post too :p

[DC_Targa]

I hadn't heard from Caddy since last week. I did just get a message. As expected, the request to remove the ability to use cheat codes on the stats server necessitates some reprogramming.

Caddy did say it will be done however. Quoting from his message:----------------
"When they get a chance to get their heads above water, they will attend to the EAOR servers for Porsche.

I wish I could be more specific than that but so it goes in development I suppose."
----------------------------
So don't give up hope.

Regards,

DC_Targa