Possible Cheat Alert: Someone else to watch out for

[heinrick]

I was racing online last night and I joined an Autobahn forward pit, running gt1's.

There were two other racers in the pit, one I can't remember, the other name was "HerrNalt".

We ran the first race, "HerrNalt" blew by me just after the first ramp and finished the race with a time of 1:56. Hmm, I say, so I ran DH, which came up clean.

He stuck around for another race, same thing, I passed him at the start, he blew by me just after the first ramp like I was standing still. Again, DH was clean.

I checked the dealine stats board, they've only got the one record posted for the 1:56.

Anyway, look out for this person. It might be a "top dog" running under a new personna, it might be some stellar newbie, or, it might be a hack.

Can't wait for CarTest.

Be carefull out there.
Heinrick

[DC_Targa]

If you happen to have saved the replay, just zip it and post it here. We will tell you right away what was done ;) BTW, your wait is almost over...

DC_Targa

[Justin Martin]

What's CarTest?

[Cheyenne]

Hi, Joe! :wave:

I went and had a look at the list after reading your comment. I believe that starting at #20 [HK]Nick (1:58:90) and going on down, the vast majority of those racers are legit, at least at the present time. There are a couple possibly suspect, but from 20-50, they look pretty good. This is on Deadline Racers EA Stats Site (http://www.deadlineracers.net/php/nfs5/eastats.php?showpage=eastats_eng) for Autobahn forward with the 1998 GT1 Race Version. Just my opinion.

Hi, IH8COPS! :wave:

"Car Test" is a utility being develiped by Rok/NewWheel that analyzes the replays generated by NFS-Porsche, whether online or offline, to examine a car's setup in complete detail. If there's something in the car that makes it perform a certain way, "Car Test" finds it and generates a report. If this happens to be a hack, illegally added parts or settings that go beyond the normal ranges, "Car Test" gives you that information. It's an incredible utility. Greatest praise for Rok/NewWheel! -^

EDIT: I notice on that list two names, [XR]Slug and (XR)cist, neither of which have anything at all to do with Team XR - Team Xtreme Racing. Thanks!

[DC_Targa]

Justin,

There is a new cheat detector program that is almost finalized. It was originally going to be called CarTest. However since we have discovered that the replays store a LOT more than just everybodies car information, it has been enhanced to detect many more "anomalies". NewWheel is the creator of the program and a few other community members are helping him a bit. Matter-of-fact, I just reviewed and marked-up the user manual during lunch a few minutes ago.

I will let NewWheel make the official announcement when it is released, and also what its new name will be. I do expect everything will be finished shortly. Josh has even agreed to allow us to use the Racerplanet servers as the primary distribution point.

Best Regards,

DC_Targa

EDIT: looks like Chey hit the reply button first :)

[Gus]

Originally posted by DC_Targa
Justin,

-snip-

I will let NewWheel make the official announcement when it is released, and also what its new name will be. I do expect everything will be finished shortly. Josh has even agreed to allow us to use the Racerplanet servers as the primary distribution point.

Best Regards,

DC_Targa



When it happens make it a sticky Jtace if possible, I visit here infrequently now and miss what ever was said before, but I'm coming back too PU after getting DSL.

[Cheyenne]

Wow!I'm coming back too PU after getting DSL.Right on -^ Gus!

[Gus]

Well I have already been back but not as frequent as I'd like too. I've too many other online games that where hell on 56k, that are a dream on DSL now but have too learn how too be a LPB :read:

[DC_Targa]

To Gus and all,

I had previously contacted Josh and he agreed to let us use the Raceplanet servers as a distribution point for the new cheat detector. He also agreed to make the release post a sticky. Things are coming together well, so there should not be too long a wait.

DC_Targa

[K A B A]

[Yeah, "Hernalt" has been caught on "[DH]" ,hehe^_^ . Dirty harry is a program which can check replay hack , but can't save an online replay & figure it out , if the player is hacking or no ... [ There is no such programme which can detect , if a player is a cheat car holder ... ] ' :HB: :HB:

[MATT]

So K A B A, are you saying that this new 'cheat detecting' tool that NewWheel is developing is all a hoax? Or have I just misunderstood you once again because of your very poor grammar?

[K A B A]

Originally posted by MATT
So K A B A, are you saying that this new 'cheat detecting' tool that NewWheel is developing is all a hoax? Or have I just misunderstood you once again because of your very poor grammar?

Is the "Cheat detector" , available at present . & , [ who the heck is Newwheel ] . i didn't know that he is developing a cheat detector .^_^ [ Dumb ass Matt ] !^_^ :D

[Gus]

hmm it cant can it?

Then Why do I have yours from a while back when You cheated then :nono:

[DC Silicon]

;)

[Ashwin91]

Good One Sillicon-^ .

^_^


Yours,
Ashwin

[DC_Targa]

Dare I leak the fact that the file Chris (Sili) posted is automatically generated after a single mouse click?

KABA "only cheated once" and Clinton "didn't inhale"... right...

Like Monica, they both ....

Of course, this might all be a figment of my imagination ^_^

DC_Targa

[JeffR]

Originally posted by heinrick

There were two other racers in the pit, one I can't remember, the other name was "HerrNalt".

We ran the first race, "HerrNalt" blew by me just after the first ramp and finished the race with a time of 1:56. Hmm, I say, so I ran DH, which came up clean.


By manually inspecting a replay.rpl file, I found that HerrNalt had 993 911 parts in his GT1, in a race I ran at autobahn. HerrNalt DNF'ed because there was a pile-up due to an unannounced col/dmg on pit. I had pole position in this race and was wondering why my steering wheel was shaking (I use in car view), looked up and saw the damage bars, and realized damage was on, but by then I had a 10 or 15 second lead (must have been a bad pileup at the start), so I continued, getting around 2:20 (usually I get around 2:05 or 2:06, my best being a 2:03.47, not championship class yet).

When it's released, CarTest, (under it's new name) will be able to detect this type of hack.

There are better ways to hack cars than this, that also will be detected by CarTest. My best at Autobahn is about 1:30 with either a hacked GT1 or a hacked Moby Dick. Fortunately, I haven't seen any evidence of advanced hacking used online.

At least K A B A avoids screwing up the stats with ridiculously fast times, although he has a few top 50 times. HerrNalt doesn't seem to have this same concern.

If players want to used hacked cars, then they should use the no-stats server (which is what I did for a couple of tests), and warn others in a race about hacked cars.

In NFS High Stakes, EA doesn't keep any top 50 time stats, and you can never lose points (for those that care about rankings), so there's less reason to cheat or worry about it, so it's a bit more casual environment. While hacked cars are not allowed, (except for the loser trucks used in knockout), a popular patch for NFSHS is the all cars patch, which is used to run any EA car online, the most popular being the MHRT Commodore from the Austrialian version of NFSHS, because it's usage leads to very close races.

[Gus]

hmm analyze this one, should be the first time I caught him cheating

[DC Silicon]

Originally posted by JeffR

At least K A B A avoids screwing up the stats with ridiculously fast times, although he has a few top 50 times. HerrNalt doesn't seem to have this same concern.


ROFL Jeff :D
The reason for that is that KABA is simply a lousy driver, not able to set faster times even with a hacked car ^_^
What he does is to use multiple personas, which result in a definite loss of available positions.... maybe we should suggest NewWheel to include a 'Boot KABA / Roy* always from your pits' statement in the Readme-File :p


In NFS High Stakes, EA doesn't keep any top 50 time stats, and you can never lose points (for those that care about rankings), so there's less reason to cheat or worry about it, so it's a bit more casual environment. While hacked cars are not allowed, (except for the loser trucks used in knockout), a popular patch for NFSHS is the all cars patch, which is used to run any EA car online, the most popular being the MHRT Commodore from the Austrialian version of NFSHS, because it's usage leads to very close races.

Im sure the PU community will be happy if he switches over to HS, but i fear that wont happen if its not possible to cheat there. Though he will pleased to hear that he cant lose points there, so its not necessary for him to DNF due to his lack of skill like in PU ^_^

CU

[Cheyenne]

Hi, Gus! Here's the analysis of that replay, "Kaba.rpl" 1/15/02 5:50:16 PM kaba.rpl
Caution: hack(s) found for player(s): #2

Replay: MP, online, C=off, D=off, consistent
Track: Monte Carlo Circuit 3, forward

Racer: #1 sHow.R.X, start.pos 3
Car: '95 911 Turbo 3.6 Coupé (993) *, automatic
------------------------------
Ride height 0 gear1 +.00
Stiffness 100 gear2 +.00
Travel 100 gear3 +.00
Toe-in 100 gear4 +.00
Brakes 75 gear5 +.00
Rear Front gear6 +.00
D/F 100 10 g.rev +.00
T/P 45 45 g.fin +.00
------------------------------
3D model: 993
Physics: 993Tcoupe36
Specs: 993T
Sound: sd5
part: 911 (993) big bore throttle body
part: 911 (993) high flow fuel injector
part: 911 (993) superlight flywheel
part: 911 (993) replacement ecu
part: 911 (993) high butterfly intake system
part: 911 (993) high performance exhaust
part: 911 (993) 3.6 l turbo engine (standard)
part: 911 (993) twin turbo stage 2 turbo
part: 911 (993) 50% larger intercooler
part: 911 (993) professional racing brakes
part: 911 (993) standard 6 speed transmission
part: 911 (993) professional racing springs
part: 911 (993) professional racing shocks
part: 911 (993) gt2 engine lid spoiler
part: 911 (993) carbon fiber hood
part: 911 (993) carbon fiber doors
part: 911 (993) carbon fiber quarterpanels
part: 911 (993) extra stiff sway bars
part: 911 (993) slicks
part: 911 (993) rims style 1
Status: OK

Racer: #2 K A B A, start.pos 1
Car: '95 911 Turbo 3.6 Coupé (993) *, automatic
------------------------------
Ride height 0 gear1 -.05
Stiffness 100 gear2 -.05
Travel 68 gear3 -.05
Toe-in 100 gear4 -.05
Brakes 63 gear5 -.05
Rear Front gear6 +.00
D/F 55 5 g.rev +.00
T/P 40 35 g.fin -.50
------------------------------
3D model: 993
Physics: 993Tcoupe36
Specs: GT1
Sound: sd6b
part: 911 (993) big bore throttle body
part: 911 (993) high flow fuel injector
part: 911 (993) superlight flywheel
part: 911 (993) replacement ecu
part: 911 (993) high butterfly intake system
part: 911 (993) high performance exhaust
part: 911 (993) 3.6 l turbo engine (standard)
part: 911 (993) twin turbo stage 2 turbo
part: 911 (993) 50% larger intercooler
part: 911 (993) professional racing brakes
part: 911 (993) transmission quick shifter
part: 911 (993) low speed transmission
part: 911 (993) professional racing springs
part: 911 (993) professional racing shocks
part: 911 (993) gt2 engine lid spoiler
part: 911 (993) carbon fiber hood
part: 911 (993) carbon fiber doors
part: 911 (993) carbon fiber quarterpanels
part: 911 (993) extra stiff sway bars
part: 911 (993) slicks
Hack: #2 Invalid car code
Hack: #5 Invalid car specs
Hack: #6 Invalid sound

Racer: #3 [Gus], start.pos 2
Car: '95 911 Turbo 3.6 Coupé (993) *, manual
------------------------------
Ride height 0 gear1 +.00
Stiffness 100 gear2 +.00
Travel 100 gear3 +.00
Toe-in 100 gear4 +.00
Brakes 100 gear5 +.00
Rear Front gear6 +.00
D/F 67 0 g.rev +.00
T/P 45 45 g.fin +.00
------------------------------
3D model: 993
Physics: 993Tcoupe36
Specs: 993T
Sound: sd5
part: 911 (993) lightened flywheel
part: 911 (993) big bore throttle body
part: 911 (993) high flow fuel injector
part: 911 (993) replacement ecu
part: 911 (993) high butterfly intake system
part: 911 (993) high performance exhaust
part: 911 (993) 3.6 l turbo engine (standard)
part: 911 (993) twin turbo stage 2 turbo
part: 911 (993) 50% larger intercooler
part: 911 (993) professional racing brakes
part: 911 (993) transmission quick shifter
part: 911 (993) high speed transmission
part: 911 (993) professional racing springs
part: 911 (993) professional racing shocks
part: 911 (993) gt2 engine lid spoiler
part: 911 (993) carbon fiber hood
part: 911 (993) carbon fiber doors
part: 911 (993) carbon fiber quarterpanels
part: 911 (993) extra stiff sway bars
part: 911 (993) slicks
Status: OK

He was at it then!

Who is NewWheel, KABA? An absolute wonder, that's who!

[DC_Targa]

@Gus
It's ironic, I had saved that replay you posted a long time ago. It was one of replays I sent to NewWheel as well.

@Sili
I would have thought it would be more fitting to just delete all his stats and ban his IP range. I am sure Matt and a few more people understand that certain systems log the IP's of those that connect. You guys ever wonder where this loser is from? LOL

DC_Targa

[MATT]

Whose the 'dumb ass' again? :p

[DC_Targa]

Like I once said in an old post...

He's making a list...
checking it twice...
gonna find out who's naughtly or nice...

Three cheers and three beers to our great programmer NewWheel.

:beer: :beer: :beer:

DC_Targa

[heinrick]

Scritch...Scritch...Scritch....

What's that sound? It's the sound of K A B A crawling back under this rock.

Thanks all, for a wonderul afternoon of reading!!

See you at the races.

Heinrick.^_^

[DC Silicon]

Originally posted by DC_Targa
I would have thought it would be more fitting to just delete all his stats and ban his IP range. I am sure Matt and a few more people understand that certain systems log the IP's of those that connect. You guys ever wonder where this loser is from? LOL

DC_Targa

Dennis,
whereever hes from, it might hit others also, thus not practicable. Deleting his stats IS possible, but with every refresh they would reappear. KPO is working on improvements, maybe something like you suggested, but as the stats come from EA's server...well.

CU

[DC_Targa]

I wasn't thinking of the DR site when I posted those comments.

[Justin Martin]

I'm guessing we don't have too much more trouble from K A B A on this board. ^_^ CarTest looks like a cool program. -^

[D_Man]

Oh well K A B A has yet again proven that he hasn't got a clue about anything :D

I personally don't care about the cheaters (aka lame losers) anymore because they are only deluding themselves - or are they. They know that without their cheats they wouldn't stand a chance against the genuinely fast racers.

I'll leave to others to hound the cretins off the servers -^

Dave

[[SK]HiLL]

Hi all...

Thx for letting us know about this new "Loser" that prefers file manipulation over steering wheel manipulation^_^ . Another one to look out for is DDR1 or ddr1. I caught him cheating personally with DH...GT1 physics on a 993 95T and vice/versa.

CHEY!! Hiya sweetie:love:
I just checked Autobahn forwards with GT1 at DR. IMHO... the top 26 times are cheat times...NOTE!! I am not sure about time #22 RJ-prize '98 911 GT1 race version 1:58.93. I don't know him to know for sure if this was done with cheating. It is a possible time...and a damn good one, too boot! In any event, that would make either, RJ-prize or [SK]Matt, the WR holder for this car/track/dir combo.AGAIN!! Just MHO.

K A B A, you make me :Puke:. It is people like you that drive good, honest racers away from the game they enjoy. And it is also because of you and your cheating colleagues, that the stats are pretty much hosed!! Because of stat corruption, I now have 2 WRs with corrupted times....I do NOT take credit for these WRs or times. As a matter of fact, I have asked KingPo on several occasions to try to remove those from my record. I would rather have NO records, than a FALSE one. It is getting to the point that I am considering creating a new persona and having the old one deleted and starting over...fresh! I know this extreme action would be a huge pain-in-the-ass, but it is a matter dignity, honor and respect. One thing that I am VERY proud of, is the fact that, I have EARNED my records...with the exception of the corrupted times....ARRRGGHHHHH....DAMN THOSE CHEATERS!!!!

Yours truly!
1 Fast Hillbilly...

Terry

[Cheyenne]

Hi, [SK]HiLL!!

Great to see you here! :kiss:

For Autobahn Forward, GT1, are you looking at EA, or DR?

Looking at DR, i see #20 as [HK]nickel, #21 as [HK]nick. I know he has been accused of cheating, but every single time I have raced him he has been clean. I have never known him to use a hack in my presence. And he is always courteous and friendly (something I basically never see in a cheater).

As far as RJ-prize goes, he is a person of great integrity and honor. I know he was very hurt by the whole RJ-xxx/Pclive problem. He is a very great racer and to my firm belief he has come by his reputation and records on the basis of skill and personal merit. I would suggest that if he has a time posted anywhere that he either ran it legitimately or he too is a victim of stats corruption.

As far as starting a new persona, even if KingPo deletes your current one from the list...

I have talked to a lot of veteran players about this very subject. I think I have a decent understanding of what's goes on in this situation. But if you were to do that, yes, you could possible generate an entire list of "clean" times, but you still would occupy a place on the EA top 50 times, which is where DR ultimate gets their data, so with that in mind, and you running a "new" persona you would be denying a player whose skill or level of play time allows them to just barely make a top 50 record, your "new" persona would push them right off the list or deny them the ability to make the #50 slot. This happens every time a very fast racer changes name, (ie, [SK]BOSS - I certaionly know that you are fully capable of a great autobahn record in GT1, but if boss makes a run and gets him in the top 50 he will push you, HiLL, right off the list, and he already has a time there as [LR]Klappi). If EA would give us a regular schedule of "stat server" resets, we could responsibly change names and or team affiliations when that happens. But I would suggest, in absence of that, that you keep the persona and name that you have. I think everyone in the community who has a genuine commitment to the game knows about the stats corruption. If we deal with each other in an honorable way, we will be regarded as honorable.

I don't think there's anyone in the community, HiLL, who would think ill of you because of any corrupted times.

[K A B A]

Fellas , i don't have any word's to say , [ im not a cheat ] . Chey has proved me a cheat , to which i can't say anything more . I can uplaod my rpl.file here , if anyone intrested in watching , plz reply ..........-^ :beer: ^_^ :Peace: :Peace:

[Cheyenne]

Hi, K A B A.

I am very interested in "watching" your replay.

In the interests of honest, I'm not sure what your post "means" I will try to explain:

first of all you put a subject in your message "oops". To me, "oops" is something a person says when "they" have made a significant mistake. Did you mean to tell "us" (those reading your mesage) that you have made a mistake?

Next, you say "fellas", I simply assume you mean, again, those who are reading your message.

Then you state you have no words to say, but immediately thereafter you state "[ i'm not a cheat ]" but further yet, you state "Chey has proved me a cheat" To me, if there is proven it is fact. these two statements of yours seem to contradict themselves, A, that you state you are not a cheat, and then next stating you you are a proven cheat? What do you mean?

You say you have no words and you can say nothing more? Well, I can't see why you can no longer use words. Please feel free to post. The replay also. I would very much like to see it.

[prize]

oh!, hi HiLL

no, i have never used hack car, :nono: . I have a replay in DR, that 's 58"xx too, that's not very good, but some luck. I know perfect is like 57"9x. If online autobahn fw GT1, 1:56 is possible.
thanks.

[[SK]HiLL]

Hi prize...

Just to set the record straight...

I NEVER called you a cheat or implied that you have cheated. I simply stated that your time is a damn fast one...congrats for that...if you would read my post closely...you should notice...

NOTE!! I am not sure about time #22 RJ-prize '98 911 GT1 race version 1:58.93. I don't know him to know for sure if this was done with cheating. It is a possible time...and a damn good one, too boot! In any event, that would make either, RJ-prize or [SK]Matt, the WR holder for this car/track/dir combo.AGAIN!! Just MHO.

Everything that I stated was either the truth or my own opinion....I will state it again....I don't know you very well, so I don't know for sure of your times, hence I have never raced you myself. Please, don't misunderstand this again. I am NOT calling you a cheater. Just simply, I have'nt raced you and I don't know you. The fact remains that your posted time is very fast:HB: WAY TO GO!!!:crowd:
As stated previously, as well as above, that makes either yourself or Matt the WR holder for that particular combo. In this case, with further information, I would have to say that your time is the WR.

As far as I am concerned, you are certainly welcome in my pit:D

Nothing that I have said was meant to cause you any hard feelings. So, I apologize to you, for any mis-understandings my post may have caused.


CHEY!! When you raced Nick, did he get a time close to what he has recorded? I bet NOT!
As stated in my previous post, I was checking DR stats. As far as Nick, [HK]Nick, [HK]nickel goes, check DR banlist. He is on there several times with different names...i.e. [HK]nick, NICK N., NK_GT1 (I could be wrong, but I believe to be one in the same)....If he is NOT a cheat, why is he on the DR banlist? I am not trying to start a flame war or anything like that. I just think that racers that are on the banlist should be in fact, banned!
DISCLAIMER: I, personally, have NO proof that anyone on the banlist has, or ever will, CHEAT! I, personally, am NOT calling anyone a cheat!

Everyone happy now!!!!!!!!!

Terry

[DC_Targa]

Since someone sent me a group of replays that included [HK]Nickel or Nick or whatever name he happens to be using at the time, it is real clear why he is on the DR banlist.

Funny thing about some of those [HK] guys, Nickel has EXACTLY the same hack, EXACTLY the same settings and EXACTLY the same odd parts (like standard brakes and fiberglass panels instead of carbon fiber) as does [HK]Pclive, Pclive, Pcdog or whatever name he happens to be using at that time.

Cooincidence? LOL

DC_Targa

[Wazza]

haha cheaters.... any new stuff lately?

Nick is an ok racer... but check his stats.. some top 100 times, and then Pyr fwd and bw in Gt1.. 2 fast times.. possble... but compared to all the other ones?

i know when i have raced him he was legit, and was "ok" but low 1:54 on pyr fwd would be sceptical.


and Terry (HiLL): howz u doing? :p ... cant race much AT ALL... sorry bud... but Prize is a great racer, and a great person..

check out his 1:58.56 Bahn fwd replay....

[K A B A]

Chey , i'm bit worried by seeing ur abnormal activity toward's me , to which i have no second thought to show u my reaply's . Anyone still intrested '[K A B A rpl.file]' can leave their email id ....

:Peace: :Peace: :Peace: :Peace: :Peace: :Peace: :Peace: :Peace:

[racecar1]

You should be worried but not for the reason stated, its actually everybody's normal activity towards you!
We already got lots of replays thank you very much. If you read this thread, you will see that. And how did you create the replay you are offering up.....lol.
If you ever show up on the servers again with your modified files, we will get more. In the near future, with better utilities available, you will be booted constantly. Different personas won't be able to work either.
Find a different game, what you have done makes you history in this one.

[K A B A]

The replay files have been edited by some player from the servers, which proves me to be a cheat . The files are fake & have no meaning ….. at all . Some of them are corrupted & some who work’s are edited . I never gave out my rpl file to anyone on the servers,‘[as far I know ]’! . So there is no point in calling me a Cheater & ejecting me out of the pit’s all the time .

[ sSupport Mme .. ]

K A B A ) FAIR & Fast . . .

[[XR](\/)power]

No one wants to support you, with Dirty Harry you have been caught too many times, this is probably the most cheat free community that I know of so far, people don't just make up replays to make you look like a cheater because there is no reason to (unlees you were BOSS/markus then maybe lol) so your comment on other players making you look like a cheater by editing files is completely irrelevant and false....I agree with Racecar on this find another game, you've lost almost all if not all respect from players in this game.

[K A B A]

Something is wrong , so i asked , wht the hell is going onn ... Plz give me a place , so we could break some *_*_*_*_* ... Hella good , im gonna come soon on the servers . . .. cya soon all !:beer: :HB: :beer: 8)~ :beer: :HB:

[D_Man]

You just don't get it, do you K A B A?

The replays of races online can be checked to see who is using hacks. You have been caught using this method a number of times. So go play with yourself (take that how you want) because no-one here wants to play with you :D

Maybe you would enjoy beating yourself using hacks :rolleyes:

Dave

[Wazza]

oh K A B A has changed his Avatar to a Porsche... :eek:
^_^

so where is ur new replay?

just go offline and race a stock Gt1 or something.. any time is ok... we just wanna see how good u are ;)

[Gus]

Originally posted by Wazza
oh K A B A has changed his Avatar to a Porsche... :eek:
^_^

so where is ur new replay?

just go offline and race a stock Gt1 or something.. any time is ok... we just wanna see how good u are ;)

I'd rather see him pushing hard on a track he supposedly got a legit time on online, but offline and be with in a second of the online time, depending on which track.

As anyone that knows their time should be about 1 second behind their online times, offline when it doesnt require railing.

[Cheyenne]

Okay, there seems to be a bit of misunderstanding here (mostly on K A B A's part).

Replays...

When I go online to race, my car has certain settings. This is true with everyone's car. When I race anyone else, their car needs to run on my computer. My car needs to run on their computer. In order to do this proplerly, their computer shares their settings with the server, my computer shares my settings with the server, the server passes on each racers' settings to all the other racers involved in the race. With this setting information, everyones' respective cars can "run" on all the other computers and a "race" can happen. NFS-Porsche stores all these settings in the file named "replay.rpl" on all the computers involved in the game.

So, if a person uses legitimate settings (one the game allows natively), or if someone is cheating (has altered data, files or using any such performance enhancement not included in the game's normal coding) this data is shared and stored in each racers' "replay.rpl" file.

So, no one has to "give" any other player a replay. They get sent automatically in order to play the game. Giving anyone who races the ability to examine the data and see what settings each car uses. KABA classically uses altered physics files, swapped physics and car files, or adds parts that are not legitimately available for that car.

Here is an example of a "legal" GT1:
Racer: #5 [XR]Chey, start.pos 5
Car: '98 911 GT1 race version *, manual
------------------------------
Ride height 0 gear1 -.50
Stiffness 100 gear2 -.40
Travel 100 gear3 -.30
Toe-in 75 gear4 -.20
Brakes 73 gear5 -.15
Rear Front gear6 -.25
D/F 70 1 g.rev -.20
T/P 44 45 g.fin -.30
------------------------------
3D model: GT1
Physics: GT1race
Specs: GT1
Sound: sd6b
part: GT1 flywheel
part: GT1 air intake
part: GT1 exhaust
part: GT1 intercooler
part: GT1 turbo
part: GT1 3.2 l twin turbo engine (standard)
part: GT1 brakes
part: GT1 6 speed transmission
part: GT1 springs
part: GT1 shocks
part: GT1 slicks
part: GT1 * body
Status: OK
Here is KABA's GT1:
Racer: #7 K A B A, start.pos 3
Car: '98 911 GT1 race version *, automatic
------------------------------
Ride height 0 gear1 -.50
Stiffness 100 gear2 -.45
Travel 0 gear3 -.40
Toe-in 100 gear4 -.35
Brakes 0 gear5 -.30
Rear Front gear6 -.25
D/F 65 0 g.rev +.00
T/P 45 45 g.fin -.50
------------------------------
3D model: GT1
Physics: GT1race
Specs: GT1
Sound: sd6b
part: 911 (993) standard flywheel
part: 911 (993) big bore throttle body
part: 911 (993) high flow fuel injector
part: 911 (993) replacement ecu
part: 911 (993) high butterfly intake system
part: 911 (993) high performance exhaust
part: 911 (993) 3.6 l turbo engine (standard)
part: 911 (993) twin turbo stage 2 turbo
part: 911 (993) 50% larger intercooler
part: 911 (993) professional racing brakes
part: 911 (993) transmission quick shifter
part: 911 (993) professional racing springs
part: 911 (993) professional racing shocks
part: 911 (993) gt2 engine lid spoiler
part: 911 (993) carbon fiber hood
part: 911 (993) carbon fiber doors
part: 911 (993) carbon fiber quarterpanels
part: 911 (993) extra stiff sway bars
part: 911 (993) slicks
part: 911 (993) rims style 1
Hack: #7 Invalid number of parts
Hack: #8 Invalid parts installed
Here it's easy to see that an "owned" GT1, which, within the game has no "upgrade" parts available for it (from its stock form) has all sorts of 993 upgrade parts installed. Imagine a "stock" GT1 with the performance enhancements over it's normal form that a fully modified 1995 Twin Turbo has over its stock counterpart. That's the sort of cheating KABA has done.

Many of us who have raced in a game where KABA has entered has seen him do this constantly. He's done this with Mobys, with 356s and with others too.

Here's a "legal" Moby:
Racer: #1 [XR]Chey, start.pos 6
Car: '78 935/78 Coupe "Moby Dick" *, manual
------------------------------
Ride height 0 gear1 -.50
Stiffness 100 gear2 -.45
Travel 100 gear3 -.40
Toe-in 100 gear4 -.35
Brakes 100 gear5 -.30
Rear Front gear6 -.25
D/F 100 0 g.rev -.50
T/P 45 45 g.fin -.50
------------------------------
3D model: 935
Physics: 935race
Specs: 935
Sound: sd6a
part: 935 flywheel
part: 935 air intake
part: 935 exhaust
part: 935 intercooler
part: 935 turbo
part: 935 3.2 l twin turbo engine (standard)
part: 935 brakes
part: 935 transmission
part: 935 springs
part: 935 shocks
part: 935 slicks
part: 935 body
Status: OK
Here is KABA's Moby:
Racer: #4 K A B A, start.pos 4
Car: '78 935/78 Coupe "Moby Dick" *, automatic
------------------------------
Ride height 0 gear1 -.50
Stiffness 100 gear2 -.35
Travel 100 gear3 -.25
Toe-in 100 gear4 -.15
Brakes 63 gear5 -.30
Rear Front gear6 -.25
D/F 100 0 g.rev +.00
T/P 45 45 g.fin -.50
------------------------------
3D model: 935
Physics: 935race
Specs: GT1
Sound: sd6b
part: 911 (993) high flow fuel injector
part: 911 (993) superlight flywheel
part: 911 (993) replacement ecu
part: 911 (993) high butterfly intake system
part: 911 (993) high performance exhaust
part: 911 (993) 3.6 l turbo engine (standard)
part: 911 (993) twin turbo stage 2 turbo
part: 911 (993) 50% larger intercooler
part: 911 (993) professional racing brakes
part: 911 (993) transmission quick shifter
part: 911 (993) professional racing springs
part: 911 (993) professional racing shocks
part: 911 (993) gt2 engine lid spoiler
part: 911 (993) carbon fiber hood
part: 911 (993) carbon fiber doors
part: 911 (993) carbon fiber quarterpanels
part: 911 (993) extra stiff sway bars
part: 911 (993) slicks
part: 911 (993) rims style 1
part: 911 (993) * body
Hack: #2 Invalid car code
Hack: #5 Invalid car specs
Hack: #6 Invalid sound
Hack: #7 Invalid number of parts
Hack: #8 Invalid parts installed
Here you can see, again, a Moby with all the performance advantages of upgrade 95 Twin Turbo parts, and in addition, it has GT1 specifications file added too.

And lest you begin to think that KABA is some "master" hacker, he can't even do that by himself. As a matter of fact, he posted the url to TotalNFS (in another forum) where he "read" about how to do all of this. :rolleyes:

Every time KABA races, he "gifts" us all with evidence on his inability to use sim-driving skill to obtain a decent result. :)

[FeZ]

Very good explanation Chey,

But I dont think our friend K will understand it, or maybe he is right and every honest racer out there is just faking his replays to show he is a cheater. Maybe it’s a conspiracy. :D

Can anybody prove that Roy* is in fact K A B A ?

[Cheyenne]

Hi, FeZ!FeZ: Can anybody prove that Roy* is in fact K A B A ?Well, I don't know what you want as proof. In American courts (my sister is a lawyer - shhhhhh) testimony can be judged as proof.

[Trial excerpt from the 2002 case "NFS-Porsche Community v. K A B A (alias Roy*)"]

(The witness, having been first duly affirmed to tell the truth during these proceedings, testified as follows: )

Prosecution: [XR]Chey, why do you believe the person known as "Roy*" is this other person who has an identity established as "K A B A"?

[XR]Chey: "Roy*" did state publicly on the NFS-Porsche server, but directed at me, that he was indeed K A B A. This person "Roy*" also communicates in a distinctive manner, in my opinion, --

Defense: Objection, Your Honor! This witness is not an expert and therefore "opinion" testimony does not constitute proof or evidence of any facts about Roy*'s identity.

Prosecution: Agreed, but this witness is not testifying to the truth of their opinion, just to their state of mind based on perceived events and how that opinion was formed.

The Court: All right. I'll allow it.
The Court: (to the jury) You should not judge this as "evidence" as to the identity of "Roy*", but only as the basis for this witness and her forming an opinion or conclusion as to his identity.
The Court: (to the witness) You may proceed.

[XR]Chey: Thank you, Your Honor.

As I was saying, Roy* communicates in a very distinctive way, irregular capitalization, frequent changes in thought in mid-sentence, odd truncation and abbreviation of words. In every way that I can see, exactly like K A B A does -

Defense: Objection, Your Honor! Once again, the witness -

The Court: Sit down, counsel. I just ruled on this very same subject, and the testimony is allowed for the limited purpose.
The Court: (to the witness) Please continue.

[XR]Chey: Thank you again, Your Honor (winks at the judge).

Defense: Your Honor! Objection. The witness is flirting with the Court!

The Court: Sit down counsel. You're out of order. The witness is just being friendly.
The Court: (to the witness) Please continue, young lady.

[XR]Chey: Thank you very much, Your Honor. That was very kind of you (smiles).
Anyway, Roy* types in the very same manner K A B A does. Also, K A B A told a teammate of mine, [XR]Rove, that his real life name was "Roy" and that K A B A would soon disappear from the servers.

Prosecution: Did you witness this yourself?

[XR]Chey: Well, no. But Rove -

Defense: Your Honor, please! This is pure hearsay. If the prosecution wants to present this evidence they can call this "Rove" person and have him testify to this.

The Court: (to the prosecution) Well, the defense does have a point. Argument?

Prosecution: Normally, I would agree, Your Honor. But [XR]Rove is no longer available to testify. He has evidently "left the game" and is out of the Court's jurisdiction to subpoena as a witness. So the "exception" to the hearsay rule applies.

The Court: All right, counsel.
The Court: (to the jury) Hearsay testimony is normally not allowed whenever "direct" testimony is available so that opposing counsel has the ability to cross-examine any statements. However there are exceptions to these rules and we have encountered such an exception. When direct testimony is unavailable, hearsay testimony can be admitted. But you as the jury can give it as much or as little weight in deliberating towards a verdict knowing that it is in fact, just something that someone heard "second-hand" and was not directly witnessed.
The Court: (to the witness) You may continue with your answer.

[XR]Chey: As I was saying, Rove did report it to me. As corroboration, -

Defense: (sobbing) Your Honor, the witness is going beyond the bounds of the question.

The Court: Counsel?

Prosecution: I'll put the question.
Was anything communicated to you from K A B A that would corroborate or establish as true what Rove communicated to you about Roy*'s identity?

[XR]Chey: Well, yes. K A B A informed me personally that he would stop using his K A B A identity when he reached a certain quantity of points in the EA Top 50 Racers list.

Prosecution: To your knowledge, did this occur?

[XR]Chey: Well, I do not recall the points quantity that K A B A related to me. But he did disappear shortly thereafter. I personally have not seen him since.

Prosecution: Did the absence of K A B A coincide with the appearance of "Roy*"?

[XR]Chey: Yes. No more K A B A, within, I would estimate 24 hours we had "Roy*".

Prosecution: Do you have any other reason or evidence that this "Roy*" is indeed K A B A?

[XR]Chey: Yes. They both use precisely the same cheats on their cars.

Prosecution: So, you would say that, you were told directly by "Roy*" that he was K A B A, K A B A told a teammate of yours that his real life name was "Roy", and that K A B A told you that he would be leaving the servers with his K A B A identity, and that "Roy*" showed up proximately to K A B A's disappearance and that they both communicate in the same, distinctive manner, and that the both display the identical cheating schemes to defraud and steal from the other players in the the game?

[XR]Chey: Yes, absolutely.

Prosecution: Your Honor, I have no further questions.

The Court: (to defense counsel) Any 'cross?

Defense: (in tears, almost inaudibly) No, Your Honor.

The Court: All right. With that, we will adjourn for the day.

The Clerk: All rise.

[End of trial excerpt]

Hmm, sorry. I got really bored of work! ^_^

[FeZ]

^_^ ROFLMAO

brilliant writing Chey, but a simple "Yes" from you would have been prove enough.

Hope to see you on the Server soon

[Cheyenne]

Hi, FeZ!

This is an excerpt of a report from a "Roy*" replay using NewWheel's wonderful "Car Test" (tentative, development name) replay analysis tool. Just like the ones I posted earlier from the "K A B A" persona, you can see the identical form of cheating is used. In any court this would be horribly damning evidence.


Racer: #6 Roy*, start.pos 3
Car: '56 356 A 1600 Cabriolet *, automatic
------------------------------
Ride height 0 gear1 -.50
Stiffness 100 gear2 -.45
Travel 100 gear3 -.40
Toe-in 100 gear4 -.35
Brakes 63 gear5 -.25
Rear Front gear6 -.25
D/F 75 0 g.rev +.00
T/P 45 45 g.fin -.50
------------------------------
3D model: 356A
Physics: 356Acabrio16
Specs: GT1
Sound: sd1b
part: 911 (993) big bore throttle body
part: 911 (993) high flow fuel injector
part: 911 (993) superlight flywheel
part: 911 (993) replacement ecu
part: 911 (993) high butterfly intake system
part: 911 (993) high performance exhaust
part: 911 (993) 3.6 l turbo engine (standard)
part: 911 (993) twin turbo stage 2 turbo
part: 911 (993) 50% larger intercooler
part: 911 (993) professional racing brakes
part: 911 (993) transmission quick shifter
part: 911 (993) low speed transmission
part: 911 (993) professional racing springs
part: 911 (993) standard shocks
part: 911 (993) gt2 engine lid spoiler
part: 911 (993) carbon fiber hood
part: 911 (993) carbon fiber doors
part: 911 (993) carbon fiber quarterpanels
part: 911 (993) extra stiff sway bars
part: 911 (993) slicks
Hack: #2 Invalid car code
Hack: #5 Invalid car specs
Hack: #6 Invalid sound
Hack: #8 Invalid parts installed


You see that this car is supposed to be a 1956 356 A. but it uses GT1 Spec and 1995 993 Twin Turbo enhanced parts. This hacking is absolutely identical to the hacking performed on the "Moby" that I posted a report from in an earlier post. Here we have the exact same detail presented at significantly different dates from two different personas on two different cars. :)

[[XR]Evo]

The evidence is damning! Roy* is K A B A

[FeZ]

After looking at this incrminating evidence I think Roy* is clearly guilty of "crimes against online racing".
He should be punished by imediately eject from every pit he tries to enter. But I think this is already common practice, as I saw him complain in the lobby yesterday "Why am I always ejected ?"

[Cheyenne]

Hmm, another piece of evidence that is in the "reports" but I did not note personally is "Roy*" and this "K A B A" person use (exclusively, as far as I can determine) automatic transmissions. Not that there is anything "cheat" related about automatics, but it's another significant detail that shows "Roy*" and "K A B A" as the same, dare I say it, "person".

[K A B A]

Chey is an Educated Lier[Lawyer] ! , which can prove me a non-hacker , I f she want’s to . I just have to ask u chey , [ Could u save an online “rpl.file” Of [ K A B A ] , if yes …. Why don’t u post them to the jury , & then let the people decide K A B A = cheat !
[Could you really do this]’?


* K . A . B . A *

[Justin Martin]

Hmph, I suspected Roy* was a cheat, not a very good one, but a cheat. Here's a replay from when I raced him last night, I know, I know, my time sucked, I crashed once. I need to race more often, I normally run below 2:07 on ZI bkw....

Hey K A B A, why don't you post one of your replays from an online race? If you're not a cheat, you've got nothing to hide....

[Cheyenne]

Hi, IH8COPS! :wave:

I'm downloading that replay and I'll have a report forthcoming in a moment!

[K A B A]

Guy's , could you'll help me in this ... [ how to save an online rpl ] .^_^ :HB:

& ROYREPLAY is not working .......

[Cheyenne]

Oh, this "Roy*" character is a sad soul. Here's what's up:Racer: #6 Roy*, start.pos 1
Car: '98 911 GT1 race version *, automatic
------------------------------
Ride height 0 gear1 +.00
Stiffness 100 gear2 +.00
Travel 100 gear3 +.00
Toe-in 100 gear4 +.00
Brakes 0 gear5 +.00
Rear Front gear6 +.00
D/F 55 0 g.rev +.50
T/P 45 45 g.fin -.50
------------------------------
3D model: GT1
Physics: GT1race
Specs: GT1
Sound: sd6b
part: 911 (993) lightened flywheel
part: 911 (993) big bore throttle body
part: 911 (993) high flow fuel injector
part: 911 (993) replacement ecu
part: 911 (993) high butterfly intake system
part: 911 (993) high performance exhaust
part: 911 (993) 3.6 l turbo engine (standard)
part: 911 (993) twin turbo stage 2 turbo
part: 911 (993) 50% larger intercooler
part: 911 (993) professional racing brakes
part: 911 (993) transmission quick shifter
part: 911 (993) low speed transmission
part: 911 (993) professional racing springs
part: 911 (993) standard shocks
part: 911 (993) gt2 engine lid spoiler
part: 911 (993) carbon fiber hood
part: 911 (993) carbon fiber doors
part: 911 (993) carbon fiber quarterpanels
part: 911 (993) extra stiff sway bars
part: 911 (993) slicks
Hack: #7 Invalid number of parts
Hack: #8 Invalid parts installed


Still using automatic transmission too.

All the other players in this replay show "Clean" :D

[Cheyenne]

Hi, K A B A! :wave:

To save an online replay, after a race open your "SaveData" folder that is one level under your main NFS-Porsche folder. Then simply right click and drag the file "replay.rpl" to another locationa nd choose copy. That will make a copy for you. You can also right click and choose "Rename" and save the file under a different name.

Perhaps the most convenient way is to have "Strobe's Dirty Harry (http://home.swbell.net/drlumen/dh/)" installed , Open the "replay.rpl" file, and after a suspicious race, hit "Refresh" and then "Rename File" a quick and easy way to save any online replay in between races. -^

[Justin Martin]

Thanks Chey, Dirty Harry didn't pick up on it. ;)

K A B A, two easy steps....

1. Run an online race

2. Attach the file replay.rpl from the NFS5 savedata directory to a new post.

[Cheyenne]

Oh, K A B A, you can't "view" an online replay in the sense that you can see the cars run. The data structure is different. EA didn't design the replay file to be "viewable" from an online race. Still the setup data for all the cars invovled is stored there as it is in an offline race. Just not the racing lines and positions.

[FeZ]

Hehe excellent, I cant wait for NewWheel to release his CarTest. Any word on a release date ?

I also checked the RoyReplay and DH did not show it as cheat because it only checks if the model, physics and specs are ok.

[Cheyenne]

No, but I do believe it's in the finalization stages. He's working a bit too hard on it for my comfort level. I wish he would get a bit more rest. He wants it to be perfect, though, which I can understand. I think those who are testing it are just about to see the very final "beta" build, and then it's probably release time. Just my guess. But it's working near perfect now!

NewWheel Roks! :love:

[Cheyenne]

Oh, About "Dirty Harry", I wasn't suggesting anyone run "Roy*/K A B A's" replay though it, just the way Strobe has set it up it's extremely convenient to use it to "save" replays online. Just alt-esc/tab out of the game, hit refresh, then "rename" and name it like "Suspect_Roy" and there you go. Ready for later analysis. In light of NewWheel's utility and it's probably soon release, please, everyone, save suspicious replays. That's what the program is for!

[FeZ]

Yes it looks like he is not playing that often anymore. Because he is working on that sweet little tool.
Oh boy he may be a bad driver, but from what I have heard & seen he is a hell of a programmer. Just kidding :p

[Cheyenne]

NewWheel, a bad driver?!?! Oh, Boy, I remember that last time I raced seriously with him - it was some time ago - I had to really be careful to clean because he was ready to take advantage of any mistake!

I did race with him lately, but that was very frustrating, I kept losing connection. I think we got in 1 or 2 full races? :(

[DC Silicon]

Originally posted by FeZ
Yes it looks like he is not playing that often anymore. Because he is working on that sweet little tool.
Oh boy he may be a bad driver, but from what I have heard & seen he is a hell of a programmer. Just kidding :p

FeZ,
before you judge you should try to beat him with a keyboard...only under that circumstance youve the same starting level...begin with a 78t on Schwarz for a comparison :D

Chey,
ive laughed so hard about your court story, one of the best postings ive ever seen here :love:

Kaba, you dont need to post an offline replay.......maybe someone already has one :p
Heres what CT says about it

[Cheyenne]

Ah, Chris, go easy on FeZ, he was just goophing! The "just kidding" at the end did it for "me"! ^_^

Where did you get that replay? And who is [JJ]Marquis??? &(

[DC Silicon]

Chey,
my team mate Viper has KABA on his ICQ contact list (no idea why). KABA wanted to impress him with his replay cause Viper played an unaware guy. Viper would simply see his replay and how KABA is doin it :)

Well, it worked, so [JJ]MarQuis is KABA. If necessary i can even post the whole discussion Viper and KABA had on ICQ :D

[Cheyenne]

Wow, "Secret Agent [eYe]Viper!"

Hmm, as much as my curiosity wants me to ask you to post that conversation, I somehow don't think it would be appropriate, at least not without K A B A's permission &(

[Spiderman]

To become as devious and underhanded as the enemy is a defeat.

[DC Silicon]

Rob,
i dont see this as a war. KABA isnt my enemy, if he decides to be legit in the future, ill have fun with him in online races without any probs. If he continues to cheat, ill boot him, simple as that. There are new players in PU nearly every day, and i try to give them fun by a fair competition to keep the game alive. If anybody know about KABAs cheating, hell get booted always, and thus either leaves it or get legit.
CU

[FeZ]

Servus Silicon,

Please dont take anything I ever say/write/think too serious. The just kidding was off course meant for the reader to see that the previous sentence was just a joke. (the first part, about "bad driver", not the part about "hell of a programmer" off course).

I raced NewWheel a couple of times in stock pits, and he was an extremely challenging competitior.

[Spiderman]

It's not a war? Damn I was thinking it was. OK. :)

[DC Silicon]

No prob Fez (Seas ;)),
as you can see from my smilie at the end it wasnt too serious by me also ;). Im sure ill never try a 78t on Schwarz with keyboard :D
CU

[D_Man]

It is quite obvious to me that, from KABA's inability to understand what has been said here in many different ways in an attempt to convey how cheat detection works, he just isn't terribly bright. Maybe someone can draw pictures - he might understand those.

KABA - get it through your thick head - you have been CAUGHT REDHANDED more than once using hacks. DO YOU UNDERSTAND??

No-one here would accuse you otherwise. We have better things to do with our time.

Your stupid hacks are very easy to detect. So go play one of those Barbie games from Mattel - oh wait, you better not - I don't think anyone has made hacks for them yet.

Dave

[DC_Geezr]

Speaking of hacks,here's another name to watch for. This guy goes by the name "Nesquick"He admitted to all of us in the lobby that he's a hack,and Terry [SK]Hill talked him into joining him for a couple of races,which he did.Terry said he saved the replay,so hopefully we will see what Nesquick's been up to.:nono:

DC_Geezaaahhh/Ric ;)

[JimneyJ]

Hi@all!
Just thought I'd post my thanks to all the efforts of programming n stuff you peeps have done to "keep it real". Much respect to those people and their skills and dedication.

As ever (like geezers sig says)


:beer: