Millionaire's Challenge

[Myshkin]

Well I am not poor anymore.

I just did the Millionaire's Challenge in 57m 55s on my first try in the Murciélago. You don't have to be perfect, I was stopped once by the cops (crashed) and I crashed maybe 5 times seriously (complete stop). They give you $1 million for that? Woo hoo!

Best bang for the buck you can get. The hard part is not maintaining the speed to finish, the hard part is that it is so long. My eyes were watering, I am sweating like a pig and my arms ache.

For those of you that haven't seen it or don't have the game, it's 124 miles long. Phew!

P.S. Why would anyone do the Tour of the Island? Almost as long, 1/5th the money? Maybe it's easier because it is a race, not a timed checkpoint run?

[FeZ]

phew 124miles thats nothing my race is 200km long ;)

I havent tried it yet as I dont have the time for an uninterrupted 1hour run

[TMiller]

I did it in 55mins with a McLaren. I need to try my Saleen with the stage two upgrades and see what I can come up with for a time. 123 miles can give you a lot of time to make up for mistakes or give time for lots of mistakes.

[Justin Martin]

Where is the Millionaire's Challenge? I've been eyeing a McLaren F1, and don't want to spend that much time doing delivery missions. ;)

P.S. Why would anyone do the Tour of the Island? Almost as long, 1/5th the money? Maybe it's easier because it is a race, not a timed checkpoint run?
I tried Tour of the Island in my Gallardo, (I still don't have a Class A car) and it definitely requires a Class A car. It was tough to keep up in the Gallardo, so I quit after a few miles. I'm not sure if it would be easy in a Class A car or not...

[Myshkin]

It's about 2/3rds of the way up the west coast. You got a map with your game, right Justin? I found it using the map I found online.

I still maintain that the fastest way to earn money is the speed challenges. It's faster and more lucrative (after repeating) than vehicle deliveries. If you set your mind to it, you can make a million dollars in 50 minutes probably.

BUT the Millionaire's Challenge is fun, if stressful. I did not feel up to trying it again yesterday.

[Manik]

P.S. Why would anyone do the Tour of the Island? Almost as long, 1/5th the money? Maybe it's easier because it is a race, not a timed checkpoint run?
You get something like 15 points for taking the gold in the Island Tour. I'm guessing that's the deal with that race. The Millionaire's Challenge is money oriented (obviously) and the Tour is points oriented (but a one time deal).

[Myshkin]

You get something like 15 points for taking the gold in the Island Tour. I'm guessing that's the deal with that race. The Millionaire's Challenge is money oriented (obviously) and the Tour is points oriented (but a one time deal).

Good call Manik, I haven't really paid attention to the points, to tell you the truth. I know you move up levels with points, but I didn't really pay attention to how it was done.

[Frank N. O.]

Hey Manik, welcome :wave:
I did the island tour and reached top level after that. I used my Top Cat, level-3 XJ220 and it was a sinch in first try with the others, MC12, S7 etc. left several km's behind, at least 10 when I reached the finish line after less than 46 minutes in fact, and then I could pick up that sweet Alfa Romeo :racer:

Frank

[Justin Martin]

Whew, I just finished the Island Tour, did a 48:35 in my Murc. I battled a Saleen S7 the whole way, he was less than a minute behind when I crossed the finish line. Fun, but i'm not sure that I want to try it again in a Class A car. It would be much less adrenalin pumping in a slower class...

[Manik]

Whew, I just finished the Island Tour, did a 48:35 in my Murc. I battled a Saleen S7 the whole way, he was less than a minute behind when I crossed the finish line. Fun, but i'm not sure that I want to try it again in a Class A car. It would be much less adrenalin pumping in a slower class...
Reading the experiences here, I gotta wonder if my level 3 Viper could win this. That thing sure feels like an A-class car and goes insanely fast. I did pick up a level 3 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren last night...but I have a warm spot in my heart for my Viper (BTW: to me, the SLR McLaren handles almost exactly the same as the Viper so if you have the Viper, the SLR is a good choice for an A-class (tuned)).

[Justin Martin]

I think a Level 3 Viper could be competitive, depending on your ability to drive fast and consistently and your knowledge of the course. This course is about 8x the length of the Nurburgring, so it's difficult to know all of the corners well enough to drive flat out, and there are a bunch of corners on the north side of the island that are deceptively tricky.

My two handicaps are that i'm using the keyboard as my controller and my frame rate is only in the upper teens, which hurts my ability to drive the fast cars at the limit. With a wheel and a faster computer, I should have been out front all the time.

[Frank N. O.]

I can't use the wheel at the moment due to joint-pains so I've been driving with thw keyboard and automatic transmission, although still no driving aids at all. First try, 1280x1024x32 with high graphics (X1950Pro card) and here's how it went. Daniel was the fast S7 driver and still couldn't keep up. I love the XJ220 and it's turened out that for me it's a very stable and fast car, it doesn't understeer as much at high speed as the Murcie but doesn't have the wagging tail that the Murcie has too at high speed, and the XJ220's top speed is almost totally unmatched, also in terms of acceleration at high speed. I topped out at 375 kph a minute after the Almost There screenshot, showing how far back Daniel was.

Frank

[Manik]

I'll give this one a shot (I'm no expert mind you...so take whatever I say with a grain of salt):

Enzo vs F1: General consensus is that the Enzo is a better deal and better car untuned. The numbers on the F1 are pretty sweet and I'm pretty sure a tuned F1 would be a force to be reconed with. I suspect, but have no proof, that the F1 tuning would be greater as the Enzo's handling is already maxed out (actually, with the Kawazaki bike, tuning actually lowers the handling score a fair bit...that may be the case with the Enzo as well).

So..there's no straight answer but due to price I'd take the Enzo UNLESS you wanted to have the F1 for the coolness factor...which brings me to your next question: which A-class car to buy:

My approach is, for the cars I intend to race with, to buy whatever I would buy in real life. I buy what I like and then tune it so it is capable of winning regardless of its untuned rating. Example: my beloved GT500 wins the G races quite handily but on paper it is nowhere near the best G car. Heck, I did pretty darn good on "Return to sender" with that thing even. Bottom line, don't obsess about ratings...get what you like and tune it. Which, brings me to the next question:

The XJ220 is, as you said, low rated. However, Frank loves it which proves my "buy what you like and tune it" theory. Where to get it tuned: you may have found all the showrooms, but are missing a tuner shop or two. If the TDU server wasn't dead right now, I'd hop on and give you the exact location. However, it is dead so I'll just refer you to the map that Myshkin posted in the "How do YOU make money?" thread (I'm too junior around here to post links to other sites so you'll need find Myshkin's link):'( .

I think the Jag tuner is in map section H-8.

[Justin Martin]

I own a stock McLaren F1 and a Level 3 modified Lamborghini Murciélago, and my impression of the F1 is that it is extremely cool, extremely fast, but not really worth what it costs. The L3 Murciélago is faster, I think, and cost less than half to buy and tune. The Murciélago is also less twitchy than the F1.

That said, it is so easy to make money in this game that there's little point in debating which car represents the best value. Go test drive all the class A cars, and decide which one you like the best.

[Myshkin]

Sensi,

I can only assume that it was a weird glitch that caused your post to show up something like 10 times, so I deleted all of the repeats. I assumed that the post above was the one you wanted to keep?

[Manik]

Uh...you erased all his posts. I only ever saw one...

[Sensi]

Sensi,
I can only assume that it was a weird glitch that caused your post to show up something like 10 times, so I deleted all of the repeats. I assumed that the post above was the one you wanted to keep?
Yeah lol sorry, i had an error saying that i need 15 posts to submit an external URL while there was not a single link in my post... i tried to repost without any success and without any post showing up, then i tried to edit my first post giving me the same error and making it just disappear lol, i didn't see that they were actually posted, weird, sorry for the disturbing. :)

Ty guys for your advices and the neat map. :)

[Myshkin]

Manik,

I see one post above my post saying that I had deleted the copies. Oddly enough, Sensi only shows two posts total, where I see three in this thread. Must have been a bug. Do you see his post right above my earlier one where he quoted you?

[FeZ]

Finally I did the run in the shitty Zonda without updates. I crashed about 50 times and got pulled over by the cops 5 times and still managed to finish in something like 57 minutes. So this seems to be rather easy ;)

I would like to try this race with the Ford GT, I love the handling of that monster.

[Frank N. O.]

Manik,

I see one post above my post saying that I had deleted the copies. Oddly enough, Sensi only shows two posts total, where I see three in this thread. Must have been a bug. Do you see his post right above my earlier one where he quoted you?Sensi's post in this thread is gone for me. I'm a partial moderator btw but only in the RPI and flightsim subforums.

Btw I haven't been able to go online which I why I didn't reply with where the Jaguar's can be tuned but all tuners are in the south-east quadrant of the island. I haven't really driven fast in the F1 GTR or Enzo to evaluate them, and only limited in a std. F1 but you can testdrive the cars without bills if you crash them so try that, as Justin said.

Frank

[Frank N. O.]

I just remember the question about the position of the Jaguar tuning-shop. In case it hasn't been found yet then I took a screenshot. The E-Type Coupe can also be tuned there btw (I myself wasn't sure if the classic cars could be tuned as well but it seems they can).

Frank

[Manik]

Do you see his post right above my earlier one where he quoted you?
No sir...I do not.

[Manik]

Finally I did the run in the shitty Zonda without updates. I crashed about 50 times and got pulled over by the cops 5 times and still managed to finish in something like 57 minutes. So this seems to be rather easy ;)

I would like to try this race with the Ford GT, I love the handling of that monster.
Well then...I'm embarassed.

I ran it in my SLR (tuned) and actually failed (well, 3rd place). I had to run most of the race in 4th gear though as the SLR has a real problem staying on the road in 5th. To be fair though, my wheel was losing center constantly and I was babysitting my 4month old who would wake up often enough to cause a most dramatic crash while I searched in the dark for the pause key. I also got nailed by the cops about three times...but that was just due to my lack luster driving.

I ran it again though with the MV Augusta F4 Tamburini and did just fine that time.

[Myshkin]

Interesting... when I look at the posts from the post message screen, it does not appear, but when I just read through this thread it is there for me. Just so you don't think I'm BS'ing you or trying to cover my rear:

http://www.mpbruns.com/pics/sensipost.jpg

Anyways, sorry Sensi, I must have messed something up. I guess that's what happens when they give the keys to this place to us ignorant folk.

[Manik]

I'm having the same problem. I couldn't post at all yesterday as I kept getting the "15 days to post links" error...eventhough I wasn't posting any links. Oh well, I guess I'll just need to reach that 15 post mark...

[Myshkin]

You seem to be a responsible sort of person, Manik. Merry Christmas, enjoy your new post count and join date (April 1st instead of 12th).

Don't prove me wrong :beer:

[Manik]

Excellent. Thank ya Sir.

Don't worry, I'm not evil or particularily annoying (well, not that I'm aware of).

[Frank N. O.]

Argh my hands hurt like heck. I tried this race, after trying to get the Tantalus race finished, which I finally did using the Caterham and careful racing and the wheel with manual gears (mainly stuck in 3rd and 4th thrue the curvy sections). Raced 40+ minutes in the Murcie for the mill-challenge and I finally got busted by the police in the city since it was frellin impossible to steer the car with 3 fps! For the other race I got problems in the city-part too and I reduced my graphics from 1280x1024, AAx4 and high graphics to 800x600, no AA and low graphics and guess what, microscopic improvement, and that leads me to really believe that the lag is due to internet links with the other players, especially since my fps isn't that bad in the city with my offline profile. When doing single-player races why does it use the internet connection so much!??

Btw, I'm enclosing my Tantalus time (pardon the quality but as I said, low-res and no AA).

Frank

[Manik]

Sorry to hear you are having such problems. A lot of people are having connection problems...myself included until recently. TDU seems to be the most port-forward dependent game I've ever seen. I thought my router was setup fine due to my ability to play several other games online and to use torrent clients, yet TDU gave me severe connection problems. Turns out my DSL modem is also a router, so I basically had to dummy my router into a switch and open up NAT Pinholes for all of the TDU ports in my modem config. If you have a similar setup (modem is actually a router and you have a traditional router), then you may be seeing this too.

I actually saw you online last night. I was trying to jump to your location but you were never there when I got there (connection issue related I presume). It didn't matter anyway as my son woke up screaming right when I was trying to track you do so I had to go anyway.

[Myshkin]

I just did the Millionaire's Challenge again, figured I would just take it easy and relax and see what happened. Somehow I hit a couple of cars on the north shore and had level 3 cops following me and blocking me for about10 minutes, thought it would be a hoot to try and finish without getting caught, since I couldn't outrun them. I didn't have to worry about hitting anyone else because my level was not going down.

Eh while trying to get around a roadblock I got past it but came to a stop trying to get back on the road, and it said they caught me. Cheating cops! Anyways, I kept going to see if I could still make it, and I still beat my previous (only) time by 10 seconds, ha! I figured I lost a couple of minutes is missing turns and that cop chase, I have read that people just pull over and take the ticket because they lose less time that way, but I was having fun trying to evade them.

I can see how people can get those low times, make all the turns and don't get stopped, and you'd make it with plenty of time to spare in any fast car. I did it in the Murci again, but I'd like to try it in a class B or C car. I just love driving the Bat on races like this.

[Wazza]

Sounds like a fun game. If only I wasn't travelling overseas!
How would this game handle on a laptop? Resource hungry?
I just did some 56min, 55 lapper event on LFS, 23 person pit which was fun (although had connection issues, and was racing an alien, so far in front it wasn't funny.. )

[KyzrSoze]

Justin runs the game on a laptop, but I dont know the specs. He has posted about it tho.

[Justin Martin]

How would this game handle on a laptop? Resource hungry?
I have a HP DV2000T with a 1.6ghz Core 2 Duo, 1gb ram, and a 128mb Geforce 7200 GO. I get about 15-20fps, running the game on the lowest settings (640x480, low detail) and with a few additional hacks to remove some details that are not controllable in the menus.

Considering that the minimum video card specs are a 256mb Geforce 6600GT or Radeon 9800, I suppose that's not bad. But if you're serious about wanting to run this game on a laptop, you'll want one with a better video card. And get the biggest battery that is available, because battery life drops from about 2.5 hours to maybe an hour, if that...

TDU is a seriously demanding game. To put it into perspective, on this laptop, I run GTA:SA at 1280x800 with full view distance, and Far Cry at 1280x800 with roughly medium-low detail settings. My frame rates generally stay above 25fps with both games.

[Myshkin]

Well, you can't argue with results. 54'20"99 in the Enzo. No arrests, a couple of mistakes but no serious accidents. I did take a better route through Honolulu than what the GPS suggests, and that helped but I was already killing it by then.

Now that I am used to it, it isn't even that stressful.

Edit: 53'46" in the Koenigsegg. I thought it would be tough because every time I've tried to drive it I can't control it. It was harder to get out of bad situations with it, but it wasn't nearly as bad as I thought.

[Myshkin]

Hmm it doesn't seem like anyone else is interested... but the Murci ain't so bad after all. 52'48"50.

Come on, guys. It's not like the rankings are any fun, big deal I am #4000 some-odd, it's not like it's that fast. I am having fun doing laps around the island, I've cut my time by not trying to avoid cars so much, if I touch one I just take it a little easy until the warning goes away. On that Murci lap I hit two cop cars and outran a 1.5 and a 1 shield pursuit. Some bad accidents but much closer to the edge... for me.

[Frank N. O.]

Interested in what? Was there a challenge? I think my Murcie did it in 52 seconds and I never got arrested despite a 3 star wanted level. I really wish I could use Top Cat for it since the high speed steering is easier to read and the top speed is higher than the Murcie.

Frank

[Myshkin]

Oh, so you already did the Millionaire's Challenge in the Murci in 52 minutes. I was testing to see what car seemed faster to me, and while I could hit almost 260 mph in the Koenigsegg in a couple of places, the handling of the Murci kept it quicker since most of the race you are dodging traffic. I don't really see what the big draw of the Jag is, I prefer the tighter Murci to the (to me) looser Jag. I didn't realize until I went to do a lap tonight that it is only class A race :( Would have liked to do it in a slower car.

I've never been able to outrun a 3 badger. I had them going for about 10 minutes as I said in an earlier post, and I went for a few minutes without hitting anyone or anything, yet my level never went down. It seemed odd, it reached level 3 because I went around a roadblock, even though I didn't hit them. Maybe I was nicking people or touching the police cars that swerved across the road to block me, I thought I was clean. Until I figured it wasn't going to go down so I just went as fast as I could.

How many tries did it take you to get down to 52 minutes? I am amazed that you guys can tolerate banging on the keyboard for nearly an hour, to keep up the pace of a 52 minute lap with a keyboard seems incredible to me. :bow:

There was no challenge, I was looking for what people were doing in what cars on the Millionaire's Challenge from our little group. I thought I was doing okay, but apparently I need some work. My best time was not clean at all, but that was a result of pushing it hard, at least no arrests. I don't know how I can drop it another minute except more practice and a dash of luck.

[Commander]

Well I tried Millionaire's Challenge first off with the Pagani Zonda. What a burn! That Zonda must genreate lift or something, because it sure as cheese has no intention on remaining Earthborne. It seems, at every opportunity, to take to the sky in what would only be surpassed by an airplane. Too bad, it looks cool and trots mighty quick.

I then went on to take the Enzo for a jont. What a chunk! Much like nearly EVERY car in the game, the Enzo just sits there spinning its tires. What the hail do the think these SUPERCARS run for tires, 115/70/16's :nono:

Anyway, this is my big beef with the game so far, is that no matter what you drive, at half throttle you light the wicks so big you might as well be driving a Mini Cooper with 195's laying out 40000 HP. Pisses me off like nothing else! :?

Aingh, it's a good game, and the online is alright, once you allow your mind to dispense with the cheaters, but overall, I am funked right off with the whole traction thing! It seems like in the game, one is subjected to lunar gravity. Most heinous, IMO!

[KyzrSoze]

After giving some time to a few cars I have started to appreciate the Enzo more. Tuned, it is a great car for racing. The traction is bad, especially accelerating out of a corner, but it does have 858 HP so it makes sense that you have to be conservative with the throttle.

I have been trying to learn a few of the tracks, and one trick that I use is to run a race for a while with a slippery car like the Miura, Shelby, or Gallardo SE. Then when I jump in the Enzo or Murcielago the handling feels much better.

As for the Millionaire's Challenge - I ran it once and did ok, but I don't remember my time. I still dislike "racing" in traffic so I havent been motivated to repeat the race.

[Frank N. O.]

Actually, the way I use the keyboard is much more relaxing than using the wheel and pedals, I just use the fingertips. I took this setup from my brother.

My left hand rest on the side next to the keyboard, my index fingertip is on Q (throttle) with the next finger resting next to the tilde key (next to the 1) and right bottom of my thumb on Z (brake) right next to X (handbrake). I use 1 for engine start and W for windows and space for horn.
My right hand has the thumb between the numpad and the arrow keys, ready for numpad 0 (camera view), index finger on numpad 4 (left turn), next finger on numpad 8 (look back), next finger on numpad 6 (right turn) and the pinkie on numpad enter (can't remember if I use that for anything, but the index finger can also operate numpad 1 which is my high beam flash key).

I just have to move my fingers and nothing more. With a gamewheel I have to move all my arms with full force (and fight the FF of the rear-heavy cars constantly pulling in the world, like TDU's physics doesn't incorporate different tire size to combat rear weight-bias). With the gamepedals I need to move my whole leg too, even just for the throttle unlike a real car's throttle where I just move my ancle, and then there's the fact that the pedals and officechair aren't fixed so besides the bad ergonomics I need to move in a strained way to keep from rolling/moving the pedals or chair.

Btw, what do you mean the XJ220 is loose? When I drive the Murcie at high speed I usually have my fingers full trying to get that thing to move precisely, although that might at least partially be due to lost key presses from computerlag due to the internet connection in that game (and once you hit the city, that turns into a nightmare and reducing graphics doesn't help much so I'm looking forward to the patch to see if it helps with what appears to be lag due to the internet connection and not graphics-strain).

Btw, my driving style is mainly: Don't overdo reactions to catch a slide, let the car balance the force out. And that fits very well to the Top Cat since if you just calm yourself it will regain grip smoothyl, but if you steer wildly then it'll slingshot. Smoothness is the keyword here, and that's how I drive, gamewise and real life. Feel the car, drive with it, not against it :Peace:

Btw, I am looking very much forward to trying to race against you in your murcie's vs my Top Cat :racer:

Edit addition: You can check all offline race results when you're "at home" And I got every single one done so I'm just waiting for a good old-school RP style race, however my sleeping hours have been against me.

Frank

[Myshkin]

It may be a difference in using a wheel against a keyboard too. Whenever I feel the Murci slipping, I point where I want to go and hit the throttle. Straightens out quite nicely. Unlike the Enzo and Koenigsegg, I can slide into a turn, get it pointed where I want it to go, mash the throttle and it pops me right through. This characteristic is great on this particular challenge because in a turn with traffic, I can aim for holes between cars much easier and more accurately with the Murci than the two faster cars. With those two, I feel like I am just trying to survive the congested turns and make up for it on the straights.

I am sure it just takes getting used to, but it seems to me the hardest thing to control with a keyboard is the digital nature of hitting the keys. I can go through a turn at half-throttle now, varying it according to the grip I feel. I imagine you would have to tap the key.

Honestly I haven't driven the XJ220 enough to get a good feel for it. Maybe my few impressions were wrong, or I haven't learned to control it properly yet. Perhaps if I have some time today I will spend it with the XJ220 to get a better feel for it.

[Myshkin]

I don't know if I can demonstrate it reliably enough to make a video, but I just took the Jag for a spin and one point is that if it starts to oversteer, I have to tap the brake to get it to straighten, if I hit the throttle it will oversteer even more. With the Murci, I hit the throttle to straighten it out. I define the Jag as loose because it seems to float more, if you hit bumps you have to worry about it going out of control. The Murci works best with medium throttle in the bumps, trying not to brake.

I drove the Jag through the Honolulu part of the MC (Millionaire's Challenge) out through the freeways to the west, where there is a portion where you can hit almost top speed. While the XJ220 did manage to go 10 mph faster than what I can get the Murci to do, in the parts leading up to that section I would have killed my Jag time in the Murci.

Driving styles are different, and perhaps you can beat me in the Jag against my Murci, but to evaluate it properly I would probably want to find a mized (speed and turns) race not so long as the MC where I can measure if it is my perception of speed that is wrong, or if I can actually go faster in the Murci. Since the Jag drifts better, I can see where it could slide through a turn quicker, where I would slow down more in the Murci, turn into my apex and hit the throttle. Counter-sterring did not seem to help me in the Jag, but that might just be that I don't have the proper feel for it yet.

Maybe I'll do a comparison on our favorite pass.

Edit: I have finished all the races as well, right now I am trying to buy all the houses. I'm up to 52 or so, still a chunk of expensive houses to buy. Heh I think I have almost as many houses as cars. Once I have all the houses I will finish buying all the cars. I still need a McLaren, that rare Shelby and a few others.

[Myshkin]

Okay, Tackling the Giant Hairpins:

Jag: 3:17
Murci: 3:04

I need to run both a bunch more to get a true feel, but I am getting better at keeping the Jag under control. If it's sliding I can give it some throttle, it's just a different beast than the Murci. I still fee like the Jag is floating more, making this particular race more difficult for me in it. I did beat my previous best in the Jag, so I am by no means trying to say that it is too slow.

I think I will run it maybe 5 times in each, alternating to see if better scores are from practice, and take the average. Maybe the mean, I guess I could get lucky or really unlucky in one or the other and throw off the average. By about 75% through I was gaining another second on the Jag time at each checkpoint.

[Frank N. O.]

Ok, I'll try to see what I can do about that right now :)

Frank

[Frank N. O.]

First try was 3:19.50 seconds, then this one, and I was about to shave another 3+ seconds off but I crashed again and it gets a little boring driving alone, especially on those bumpy roads that needs a lot of luck for me to complete without a crash.

Frank

[Myshkin]

Jag times:

3'17.0"
3'12.0"
3'11.7"
3'09.4"
3'08.1"
Mean: 3'11.7"
Avg: 3'11.6"


I'll do the Murci times, then do the Jag again to see if it improves

[Myshkin]

Murci times, my sound went out near the end of the last one, so there are only 4:

03:04.0
03:03.9
02:59.2
02:59.4

mean: 03:01.7
avg: 03:01.6

When I cross the finish in the Murci, I am doing a little over 200 mph. In the Jag, I am around 195.

[Myshkin]

Have you tried it in the Bat, Frank? Just wondering how your times compared.

One track does not settle the debate though, how about you suggest one?

Wow I just saw that my Bat time at the Giant Hairpins is ranked #115. Cool, that is my lowest rank yet.

[Frank N. O.]

I haven't tried the bat yet no but I'll try that later. For a flatter high speed track how about the mp one above the Pass (you can test drive it alone and get a time there). I think it's called the Edge of the World. With several crashed I covered the 44 or so km in 6:11 in Top Cat.

for fast cornering then the F1 GTR is very good, a world of difference for the extremely tail-happy std. F1, albiet the GTR has a somewhat lower top-speed.

Frank

[Myshkin]

Murci on Edge of the World: 5:48, I haven't tried the Jag yet. Edit: 5:53 in Jag Edit: 5:50 in Jag, tough to get a clean run.

I tried both the F1 GTR and the Enzo on the K Pass, and I couldn't get either below 3 minutes; they were both about 3:03, granted that it was one try in each.

P.S. I'm on Xfire now, will be around the next hour before I have some other stuff to do.

[KyzrSoze]

How about we try some alternating Bat/Top Cat racing this evening?

We can try it the theories about each car on a few tracks.

[Myshkin]

I was just racing with Kyzr, I did two laps in the Murci in 11m 10s, and 2 laps in the Jag in about 11m 30-40s. The biggest issue is not crashing for me I think, it's really hard for me to do a lap in the Jag without at least hitting something, while in the Murci my laps are clean.

[KyzrSoze]

My biggest issues had to do with not knowing the track, so I crashed alot. Still I did better in the Lamborghini. No doubt the Jag is powerful, and tho it builds speed a little slower than the A class cars, it has a nice top speed. The only issue with the power is that turbo boost has to be managed well in order to keep the rear end from breaking loose while accelerating in a corner. The skill of modulating the throttle/turbo can be learned Im sure. The only real problem for me is the brakes. Drive the Jag like a class A car and try to use the same braking markers as a true class a car and you will find yourself sliding right past your turn.

So i do like the Jag, but I will have to learn how to drive it first.

[Justin Martin]

I think I've run about a 3:09 in the Bat at the Giant Hairpins race. I've never run the XJ220 there, but I doubt it would be even close.

[Frank N. O.]

Edge of the World, second try: 5:45.51

Sorry but I was asleep until an hour's time ago :(

Frank

P.S. Yes I did change the interior from pale green to light blue in case you noticed :D

[Myshkin]

*&^%$#@!

I tried the McLaren F1 GTR on the Millionaire's Challenge, and I was leading my Murci time by about 10 seconds leaving Honolulu, when some cop claimed that I had not only hit him (1 badge), but that whatever I did deserved 2.5 badges. WTF! There was another car near so I can understand 1.5 badges, but at 2.5 on a high-speed part with kamikaze cops, I was doomed.

After trying to dodge them and falling to 25 seconds behind my best at the next checkpoint (after getting caught), I dragged myself back to 52:58, which is 10 seconds behind my best... so I figure I would have beaten my best by at least 25 seconds had Mr. Policeman not gotten his panties in a wad.

IH8COPS2!

[Commander]

Wow, I finally tried the Murci, all modded up, and indeed, it is a good car to drive. It has a similar feel (imo) to the GT1 in NFS:PU. While I certainly didn't smash any records or anything, I was able to complete millionaire's challenge with the Murci and not break a sweat. I know what you mean about accelerating into the straights Mysh, very nice handling coming out of the corners!

I have yet to try it with the Jag Xj220, I'll see how she fares, then maybe I'll dish out the coin for a McLaren.

Just curious, how many of you have built the Saleen Mustang? I think it is kinda cool. 8)~

[KyzrSoze]

Just curious, how many of you have built the Saleen Mustang? I think it is kinda cool.

I actually built two, a coupe and a convertible. I had to because they look so good, but I never drive them because they do not drive well. I wish the Mustang drove as well and made the noise that the Aston V8 Vantage does.

*EDIT
Remember too that if you are going to add Saleen tuning to the mustang, don't upgrade to the optional wheels at the dealership. If you do, when you hit the tuner shop you will get 15" instead of 17" Saleen wheels.

[Commander]

Okeeee dokeee then, nevermind about the Jag run. I thought for sure that a level 3 upgrade on a XJ220 would turn it into a class A car, but apparently not. Aingh, lots of cash gone getting that one, humph. :rolleyes:

[Myshkin]

Yeah tuning does not change a car's class. That was Frank's lament earlier, that he can't run the MC with the XJ220. Earlier in the thread I was thinking it was an open challenge, before I realized it was only class A. I kind of like driving the XJ220 now, but not because it's faster, it just has its own style. If I want total control and great speed, the Murci is my choice. If all I want is speed, it's hard to beat the Koenigsegg.

I did a 52:37 in the Mercedes, heh. What is incredible is that about the point where you turn around the corner on the southeast side, I was about 45 seconds behind my Murci time. I made up 55 seconds between that point, and I caught up on one of the checkpoints after the freeways of Honolulu.

I then tried it in the Chrysler Four-Twelve. Ugh, I didn't like that car at all. While it was kind of fun in its slide-happy way, the precision of control in a slide was crappy. At least for me. I still finished in 54:17, but I was hating it especially after the pace picks up when you get around the corner onto the south and west sides of the island.

I have yet to try it in the Maserati MC12, the Saleen (ick), and the Pagani Zonda. But so far it seems to me that what is most important about the Mill-Chal is to know what's coming up, don't worry about hitting cars but make sure you only hit one at a time, it's better to run off the road than hit a cop car... and that's about it.

[Justin Martin]

I did a 52:37 in the Mercedes, heh. What is incredible is that about the point where you turn around the corner on the southeast side, I was about 45 seconds behind my Murci time. I made up 55 seconds between that point, and I caught up on one of the checkpoints after the freeways of Honolulu.
Hmm, I'd been wondering how the SLR would do on that race. I went Level 3 with mine last night, and was impressed with how fast it accelerates. Low speed handling is kinda nose heavy, but high speed is stable. Your results are about what I would've guessed, it looses a lot of time on the east coast, but gains it back everywhere else...

[Commander]

I just tried the MacLaren F1 GTR with a level 3 upgrade on MC. I was quite impressed with the overall performance of the car. Very good handling, extreme acceleration, and a quick top end. So far, this is the car I like the best, and it even let me escape a 3-badge cop chase! :)