A 600hp 6000RPM Diesel V10 race-engine!?

[Frank N. O.]

http://www.mulsannescorner.com/ricardojuddv10.html
I've never heard of such a thing before. Does anyone know anything more about this? And does anyone have a sound-recording of this? I've never heard a diesel at 6000 rpm before. I may've heard one at 4500+ but that's it (1984 Ford Fiesta 1.6 N/A Diesel).

Frank

[FeZ]

Strange diesel that is :D
Engine characteristics more like a petrol engine with peak torque at that high revs. I wonder what the fuel consumption is for such a thing, wonder how many pitstops it saves compared to similar powerful petrol cars.

I heard my diesel scream at 5000 rpm when the garage did the emission tests. Did not sound nice :eek:

[chris]

I've heard of this engine before, but never actually heard one running.

It powered an LMP900 or something like that. Obviously not good enough to beat the Biturbo FSI 3.6L V8 panzers (yet).

I've never heard a diesel engine run at 5000rpm though.. I'm used to the typical French diesel engines, 1.9 litres, chugging along in a rattling fashion, giving no power and torque, and then next minute erupting with a great surge of torque, and then falling dead soon after.

But you put up with it, because they are such frugal engines. :) Nearly 1000km touring range is something you can enjoy.

[Frank N. O.]

Some more info: Based loosely on the Judd gasoline V10, +15% economy, redline 8000 rpm (I did not make a type, although I'm sure someone else did!).

And Ricardo made the 7-speed Veryon transmission.

Edit: http://www.detnews.com/2003/motorsports/0312/10/e01-4021.htm
More news, and what the heck is a wave-brakedisc? See the inset picture to the right.

It also said that ACO made a regulation for max 5500 ccm Turbo-Diesel engines for LM 2004.

Frank

[VQ]

Both our motor's rev to 5 grand, and on the inside to about 4500 I've heard both the N/A idi van and the TDi Golf, and the van being 5 cyl and 2.4 litrses, sounds a bit tougher, but the 1.9 german diesel motor in the golf is a puller all the way along to 4 grand, so i don't know what your talking about Chris, maybe the french got it wrong?

The new 3 litre BMW straight six diesel i mentioned a while back is very impressive, it doesn't run out of puff and revs to 6000rpm I beleive, with it's twin stage turbochargers, similar to a Liberty B4.

[DCsplash]

I heard my diesel scream at 5000 rpm when the garage did the emission tests. Did not sound nice :eek:

Yeah, whoever thought up the current diesel emissions test, needs to be hung, drawn and quartered, not necessarily in that order.
I hate them, even though my limiter comes in at about 4250rpm.. ^_^

[FeZ]

Hehe you right Splash, they should get their heads examined. I never understood why they would want to test at revs in a diesel that you will never use in real life driving. Why not test at a more diesel like 3500 or so.
I have never seen my needle rise above 4000 much, early shifting makes much more sense and I havent found a part of Autobahn long (and traffic free) enough that would allow further acceleration :D

[VQ]

Dad's had it at 4 grand in 3rd going 100km/h, so the car definetly still has pull. And I rev the Van to 4 grand in first or more because I don't change quick enough.

[MATT]

That Judd V10 is very versatile, apparently! That makes for 3 different fuels it's used with. Most commonly it uses race gasoline, obviously. I've seen and heard a few of those Judd V10s in action (glorious sound too, btw).

In Europe, Team Nasamax (http://www.nasamax.com) has adapted a Judd V10 to use Bio-Ethanol. There's a great explanation behind it at their website as well. It does consume fuel quicker than its more conventional race-gas-consuming sister, for which the ACO has made a provision in the rules to allow the car to run with a larger fuel cell.

But this diesel is news to me! Being the owner of a driven-daily high-mileage VW TDI (And absolutely fascinated by the contraption) this really interests me... and even more so that it's been used in sports cars... A Judd V10, no less. The very engine I thought made the greatest sound at last year's Sebring 12 Hours. Since that time I have see and heard the Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT V12 in action, however... so, yeah. The most impressive engine for sound is no longer the Judd V10 for me! That V12 Lamborghini absolutely blows it away ;)

Of note, neither non-diesel Judd V10s utilize turbochargers either. I would LOVE to see this diesel monster in action... diesel-head that I am. It would without a doubt become my favorite car.

[VQ]

They could run it on bio-diesel assuming they use fresh oil rather then used stuff, or leftover corn oil or whatever other reamins there is from farming and stuff, I rember when i went toa bio-diesel conference just after we got the golf, it was interesting, discussed what oil they could sue and stuff, too bad they haven't implemented it too much, and now, with diesel being over $1 alitre all the time, means that it's cheaper to make BD now, albeit BD 20-40% rather then 100% BD

[chris]

That Judd V10 is very versatile, apparently! That makes for 3 different fuels it's used with. Most commonly it uses race gasoline, obviously. I've seen and heard a few of those Judd V10s in action (glorious sound too, btw).

In Europe, Team Nasamax (http://www.nasamax.com) has adapted a Judd V10 to use Bio-Ethanol. There's a great explanation behind it at their website as well. It does consume fuel quicker than its more conventional race-gas-consuming sister, for which the ACO has made a provision in the rules to allow the car to run with a larger fuel cell.

But this diesel is news to me! Being the owner of a driven-daily high-mileage VW TDI (And absolutely fascinated by the contraption) this really interests me... and even more so that it's been used in sports cars... A Judd V10, no less. The very engine I thought made the greatest sound at last year's Sebring 12 Hours. Since that time I have see and heard the Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT V12 in action, however... so, yeah. The most impressive engine for sound is no longer the Judd V10 for me! That V12 Lamborghini absolutely blows it away ;)

Of note, neither non-diesel Judd V10s utilize turbochargers either. I would LOVE to see this diesel monster in action... diesel-head that I am. It would without a doubt become my favorite car.

All Lambo V12's sound great. :D The old Diablo GTR's were a noisy spectacle with 10 or more of them howling along in such close proximity. :eek: The only time Australia ever saw the real performance capabilities of those cars was when the Diablo Supertrophy came here with them, otherwise, we only saw the GTR in heavily restricted form - an attempt to slow it down big time (it still won however).

[chris]

Hahaha, look at VQ's avatar. ^_^

[VQ]

What the? who did that?! Where my VQ? Why is there an XF there?!

[chris]

I've saved that one. :D I also wonder who did that?? ^_^

[VQ]

I have a copy of it, but I'd rather wait for someone to own up to it.

[chris]

No no no, I mean I saved a copy of the Ford one. ;) When I saw that, I nearly fell off my chair laughing. :)

[VQ]

hmmm, so who did it? I'm woundering, cos your the only Australian admin who knows about the XF, unless Commander was told about it.

[chris]

It wasn't me.

[Frank N. O.]

Did what?

Frank

P.S. I got MBWR from Amazon UK thanks to a family-friend, but in 3 weeks time he's moving to Bangladesh to manage a IT-business for a year so I can't ask him again :(

[VQ]

My signiture image, it's almost the same, but the car is a older model Falcon instead of the Statesman in it.

[Frank N. O.]

Ah ok, thanks for the info :)

Frank

[Justin Martin]

Huh, I thought you liked Falcons? ^_^

Need the original back? ;)

[Frank N. O.]

Aha, Jackhuse! :D

Frank

[chris]

Falcons are wonderful aren't they. ^_^

[VQ]

Considering at that time all they had was a 4.1 OHV 6 which dated back to the XM falcon motor, which wouldn't rev past 4 grand, compared to the "excelent" Commodore 6 and the V8 line, and the fact the Falcon by then was a huge tank which only got sales from taxi companys and people who used LPG yeah, their great.

[blackice111288]

Falcons are wonderful aren't they. ^_^
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u need to change ur avater soon, i keep laughing when i see it, i know you dislike fords.

[VQ]

Better then me having a Nissan in there, at least it's Australian....

[blackice111288]

no, actually ford is american, but they have companies in japan, like they make hondas in america but they still are japanese, and a R34 GTR looks ay better than any ford in the same class and will run circles around it. thats my last comment, any futue anti - nissan/ japanese car comments will be ignored

[VQ]

Australian Made and designed, Holden aren't Australian owned either, but the Commodore is desiged here, albeit with tecnology borrowed fom the europeon GM's to save reinventing the wheel, and they are resdesigned even then, ditto for the Falcon, it's not like they are designed in America, and then exported straight there, like the 1960's Facon and Valiant was.

[Mickk]

Quite some time ago, I ran across a BMW magazine that talked about a Deisel powered Le Mans car.

From memory (probably *bad* memory :p ) it was quite fast and it ended up being banned from racing again.

I'll see if I can find some info on it, but don't hold your breath!

A little bit of info;

Look under the heading "Two-litre touring cars: the stars of the 1990's" at the following link -->
http://www.m3-motorsport.demon.co.uk/page2_2.htm

[blackice111288]

my inspiration was this right here:
"Formula One with shattering power

On 24 April 1980 BMW announced its entry into Formula One as a supplier of engines. Taking a standard production four-cylinder engine block, Paul Rosche built a 16-valve power unit reduced in size to 1.5 litres. Running on special fuel and featuring an exhaust gas turbocharger operating at an absolute pressure of 2.9 bar equal to an overpressure of 1.9 bar, this engine started its career with maximum output of approximately 650 bhp - and ended its career with up to 1400 bhp. Says Rosche: "We weren't able to say exactly how powerful the engine was, since our dynamometers back then didn't go beyond 1280 bhp." But whatever the maximum output of the engine was, shattering power was certainly the name of the game."

[VQ]

Considering the motors had to be solid iron and run on fuel high in oxygen and they lasted all of about one race, awsome motors.