Besnard takes his 1st 1st at Symmonds

[Y2kGoofball]

Apparently its just been made official

At Symmonds Plains, Race 3 the order is

1st Besnard
2nd Bright
3rd Skaife
4th Murphy
5th Ingall

Apparently AVESCO have reviewed the timing and safety car issue and its apparently correct that the safety car was to pickup #23 not #51

If anyone watched RPM please tell me how it works, they went through it but I still dont understand

I think what their getting at is Bessie, Skaife + Bright passed before the SC signs were displayed, which is classed as a lap or something ... can someone explain it simply to me please because I'm still confused!

[Skaife]

What happened Y2K is Besnard, Bright, Skaife I think where leading because they were yet to make there stops. They came around and once they had passed the pits the safety car came out. So when Murphy and Ingall came past the pits and down to the first corner they had to slow down and travel behind the safety car for one lap. Besnard, Bright and Skaife were all traveling at race speed and easily made a huge buffer so they would come out infront of the safety car. They travelled around to the back of the pack however it meant that all the guys that were sitting infront of them were a lap down. The safety car waved everyone though till they got to Besnard and the rest of the pack had to travel around and come up behind Besnard, Bright and Skaife. The officials then thought the computer had got it wrong and waved Besnard, Bright and Skaife through and picked up Murph as the leader again. Forcing Besnard, Bight and Skaife around the track and to the back of the pack.

The thing is the results would've probably not stayed the same if the Safety car had left Besnard as the leader. Skaife commented that he wanted to get past Besnard for the lead when the safety car had come in but Bargwanna and a few other guys were in the way and since the guys had been pushed to the back they couldn't blue flag them out of the way. Also Murph and Ingall might have passed them all and resumed the lead.

Bit of a stuff up by the official but I think the result they gave was the best they could've given.

[Perko_Rulz]

I think that Besnard, Skaife, Ingall, Murphy and Bright should have a go kart race that is run by AVESCO to resolve the disputed positions. If they don't like that method, why not go the who ever had the fastest lap of the race and order them by that.

[VQ]

me too!!

[Mickcals]

Well the reason why the officals didnt go with what was on teh computer was because eariler in the round the timing system had gliched and was very much wrong so the officals though that the same thing had happened here.

Well it makes the last round a bit more interesting now that its a three way dance between Ambrose, Murphy and Bright.

And i also have to say its nice to another Ford win a race, and from a team whose not allways up front

[Y2kGoofball]

but in practice they didnt win

Ingall had it right - whats to say Bright and Skaife wouldnt easily pass Besnard, and have a tangle further up the track because of their own duel?

We're just assuming Besnard would come first, as Ingall said anything could've happened, and had it been a normal race without any safety cars I can guarantee it wouldv'e because Bright was racing to stay in the championship battle and Skaife was trying to prove the new VZ of 2005 will be the BA BeAter, after only 2 and a bit races look how well its progressed!

Whats more upsetting tho it it took AVESCO a week to come to this decision. They held up racing for a few laps when the safety car was out to attempt to sort it all out, which by this time the race could have been returned to green.

We saw a few safety car laps not for safety but to give AVESCO a buffer to sort the problem out, which they failed to do, and it become a problem that took a week to sort out but only 3 seconds to explain. Even more is the fact that the teams all understood the situation once it was explained, and the question was raised then why did it take so long?

Had AVESCO managed to work it out during that safety car period then the teams would've all accepted the smart pitting strategy of Skaife, Bright and Besnard and we would've seen racing, instead of 'flamming' because to the teams and the supporters it appeared like an error on AVESCO's behalf, whats worse is they were admitting they too werent too sure which doesnt help, but once AVESCO said heres what happened everyone accepted it :rolleyes:

Murph fan now I understand, thanks :D

[Brad H]

quite simily they need to do nascar?? (or it might be irl) styles and close the pit lane on a safety car until they are sure they have the leader then open it

[Skaife]

quite simily they need to do nascar?? (or it might be irl) styles and close the pit lane on a safety car until they are sure they have the leader then open it

Yes well thats what they used to do except for in the enduros. However I dont really like that system because I like it how a team can use the safety car in their startegy and we dont have everyone coming in early so they wont get caught out.

[Mickcals]

We're just assuming Besnard would come first, as Ingall said anything could've happened, and had it been a normal race without any safety cars I can guarantee it wouldv'e because Bright was racing to stay in the championship battle and Skaife was trying to prove the new VZ of 2005 will be the BA BeAter, after only 2 and a bit races look how well its progressed!

But in reality Bright nor Skaife would have passed Besnard, because while they were leading the race Besnard was faster than Bright, and in turn Bright was holding back Skaife, also when they were sent to the back of the grid their placing stayed in that position which would have given CAMS the reason to believe that they would have finished in that order.

But if they were up front i am positively sure that Ingall and Murphy would have over taken Besnard, Bright and Skaife as their cars were alot faster and overall alot more competitive.

[Perko_Rulz]

I think that with taking away the pit lane stratergies, the drivers would have to try harder on the tack and the pit crew would have to work harder. When I watch NASCAR I love watching the Pits as they all rush in and try to beat each other on pit lane.

[VQ]

Yes well thats what they used to do except for in the enduros. However I dont really like that system because I like it how a team can use the safety car in their startegy and we dont have everyone coming in early so they wont get caught out.

It is only when they can't work out a leader, then they would open it up right? or is it closed fullstop? if it's only closed till they work out a leader, it's all good.

[Turboginge]

The idea of closing the pit lane altogether I feel is a good one... unless the teams can prove that they had a scheduled stop during the SC peroid.

Either this or Avesco need to consider the lap that the safety car encroaches the track is a closed lap. This sort of carry on really ruins a race.

I mean how simple was it to see that in race three Murph was leading and won. I could see it, the commentators could see it... fark a blind man with a hearing defiancy could see it.

This on top of the debarcle which was the NZ V8 round last round when there was two checkered flags and no one knew what was going on its no wonder the drivers get frustrated... not to mention the viewers.
:mad: :( :beer:

[Brad H]

It is only when they can't work out a leader, then they would open it up right? or is it closed fullstop? if it's only closed till they work out a leader, it's all good.

yeah open it up a lap after they have the race leader