Been to the motorshow in Sydney, and got the following stuff on video:
- Elfin MS8 Clubman
- Elfin MS8 Streamliner
- Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione
- HSV Coupé GTSR
- HSV Clubsport R8 6.0L (297kW)
- Holden TT36 concept
- Holden Monaro Cabriolet
- Saab 9³ concept
- Honda Kiwami concept
- BAR-Honda 005 RA004E
- Maserati MC12 Stradale
- Pagani Zonda C12S Roadster
- Noble M12 GTO 3R
- Porsche Carrera GT
- Ferrari 612 Scaglietti
- Ferrari 360 CS
- Mazda Renesis 13B operating engine cutaway
- Ford GT
- Joss GT
- Koenigsegg CCR (the most powerful car on show - 806bhp and 920Nm!
- Rolls Royce New Phantom
- Rolls Royce 100EX concept
- Maybach 62
The Koenigsegg was stunning! Really stunning, only outdone by the scantily clad ladies running the Koenigsegg display, all of them supermodel or playboy centrefold calibre. (sorry, you don't get to see them, hehe).
Amazing also to see it was the ultimate CCR on display. This model claims a possible top speed of over 245mph, and 1/4 in 9 seconds at 146mph. The CCR weighs only 1180kg.
Starting the Koenigsegg is something else. On the centre console is a group of buttons in circular arrangement. Press the bottom button along with the one directly to its right, then press the bottom button along with the one directly to its left, and the supercharged V8 beast erupts into a gutteral, incredibly mean roar. That Koenigsegg CCR really is something else for audacity. Even leaves the outrageous Pagani Zonda looking a little bit average.
The Joss GT was much as I expected, pretty, functional, and pretty damn expensive. AUD$600,000 if you want one of these 900kg 6.8L V8 beasts. 0-100km/hr is claimed in under 3 seconds, and top speed is just over 200mph.
Another eye-catcher was the Honda Kiwami, with an amazing interior design, although the exterior was not so impressive.
I purposely avoided anything average, only focusing on interesting stuff. Alfa 156's, Ford Falcons, Commodores, all BMW's, all Benz's and anything of that nature were avoided.
Wazza
10-17-2004, 11:35 AM
Impressive list of cars!
What do you do with your video?
Personal use, or you sell them to someone? ;)
I would love to see at least half those cars at a NZ show, but unfortunately, we don't get concept car shows.. Only production cars, and even then it is limited. Might only see a couple of 911s, race cars, and sometimes an F50.
:(
The last show I went to was April this year:
http://wazza.nfscity.com/show.htm
chris
10-17-2004, 03:59 PM
I might put them together as a little film with the highlights of the show, or something like that. The video footage is not really great enough to do much more with it. On public days of the motorshow, you get the inconsiderate people running straight in front of the camera while you are filming, making you go back and film again..
I wasn't really going to go to the show this year, since the list of cars seemed unimpressive at first. But after learning of the Maybach 62, 2 new RR's, and the Carrera GT/Pagani Zonda C12 roadster, I decided to go on the last day.
Benz also had on display a very nice SL65 AMG, and an E55 AMG T-modelle (for getting the kids to school in a real hurry!) The E55T's engine seemed very well hand-built by Fritz Fabian (according to the signature on the build plate).
I did also take some photo-clips from the video footage. But I didn't take any proper still photos since I was out of film, but I've got about 209 photos from the video footage.
Mickcals
10-17-2004, 08:00 PM
I ll post some picture for you guys, but first i ll need to get them developed then i ll scan them in and post them up (i didnt take the digital camera to the show i just took some disposable camera's)
well heres some pictures from the Australian International Motorshow's website:
http://carsguide.news.com.au/aims/gallery/
VQ
10-18-2004, 02:50 AM
There isn't any screenshots of the torana, can you upload the film for me to download please Chris?
THe rest of them look awsome too, I read about the Koenigsegg ages ago, there is some Aussie engineers in it I beleive.
And whats with the Joss bashing? All that stuff at a low volume cost would cost a bit, didn't the Maclaren F1 cost a fair bit more?
chris
10-18-2004, 03:13 AM
VQ: Forget the TT36. It doesn't photograph well at all. The exterior colour didn't turn out well, and the interior was awful - too bright by far. Nothing I can do about it. :(
The lighting wasn't very nice around that car - too harsh by far. It needed some softer lighting around it.
BTW, I like the Joss. :)
But I admit, I'm now converted to the Koenigsegg cause. Damn that CCR is a fine machine. It's everything a exotic supercar should be, it is right "out-there". And when those doors are opened - it just has that visual wow factor! Sounds great too as it turns out.
I never liked the Swedish supercar before, but seeing it for real changed my mind. I still want to see Joss become a success though. :) I think they will be a success eventually.
Joss also has some wonderful details on it, such as the cameras mounted in little carbon fibre winglets replacing traditional drag inducing mirrors.
VQ
10-18-2004, 03:52 AM
Yeah, and an All alloy Australian made by COME racing V8 motor, which is basically an improved Holden VT V8 block, but alloy of course. That's the bit that makes me most impressed about it.
chris
10-18-2004, 05:06 AM
I think what the Joss is good at is the other stuff, the chassis, the aerodynamics and all of those things.
The production engine sounds like it might be good, although we'll have to see. The one at the show had a 6.1 litre iron-block V8, and yet it still weighs only 940kg, nearly a massive 500kg lighter than a Carrera GT.
VQ
10-18-2004, 05:15 AM
Ok, so it has a Holden V8 in it then, because the Alloy motor is based on the old Holden motor as I said, but COME racing make their own design heads, manifold etc for the old 304 block, so the Joss, like the GT, willl have relations in it's engine to other road cars, but the Holden motor is no longer made and the old Holden 304 was always a sedan motor rather then a truck motor and is a race motor in it's sense, it did win bathurst how many times?
Come racing's site doesn't have info on their alloy blocks but I have article around in magazine on it..
blackice111288
10-22-2004, 03:31 PM
truck block or not, if its fast its fast, its all in a name that's really making a difference, the performance is still there.
1940kg? thats like 1900 lbs aint it? thats a freakin fetherweight. i've driven a 87 crx that wieghted 2400 and it was as nimble as a little go kart (it did have about the same power rating,LOL), i cant imagine driving a car that light with so much power. must be fun.
Frank N. O.
10-22-2004, 03:39 PM
Great pictures Chris, and beautifull australian women at the CC :cool:
I also love the Joss and think it deserves some cargame/sim attention.
Blackice:
For reference 1000 kg = 2205 lbs meaning the Joss weighs: 2073 lbs, or 22 lbs less than my mom's 2001 Peugeot 206 1.4 75hp.
Frank
blackice111288
10-22-2004, 03:46 PM
I also love the Joss and think it deserves some cargame/sim attention
I hope GT4's producers and programmers feel the same
1 kg = 2.2 lb's, right?
Frank N. O.
10-22-2004, 04:24 PM
Blackice: See my edited post above :)
Frank
VQ
10-23-2004, 03:36 AM
Being a truck motor means it will always be a torque monster rather then a HP monster, like the Viper for instance.
blackice111288
11-04-2004, 05:47 PM
the viper's motor isnt a truck motor though. besides, i thought you were fond of torque monsters versus hp monsters :)
Frank N. O.
11-04-2004, 05:50 PM
What do you define as a truck engine Blackice? Same as me, something like a Scania/Volvo with at least 13-14 tons grossweight?
Frank
blackice111288
11-04-2004, 08:48 PM
yup, thats definatly a truck engine, or like the monstrous 454cid strait 6's in some of the garbage trucks. :)
i was referring to truck engines as engines used in trucks, though, and i dont think the ram ever came with a V-10 (Ram SRT-10 excluded because it uses the viper's engine, in turn having a car engine in a truck). i remember Magnum V8's, Cummin's turbo diesel 5.9liter I-6's, and V6 versions, As the GT40's motor is based off the F series motors
chris
11-04-2004, 09:01 PM
When I think truck engines, I'm thinking 14, 16 and massive 18 litre engines.
But then again, those begin to look small in comparison with a Paxman-Valenta 12RP200L turbocharged V12 engine.
The Paxman Valenta engine is 4811 cubic inch displacement, and the fuel tank takes 4.5 tonnes of fuel.
VQ
11-04-2004, 09:29 PM
Ok, I meant truck because that's an american saying, but what I was talking about were large tanks like suburbans and the like. Of course I like high torque and high horsepower motors, but generally they don't have a long stroke and aren't used in cab chassis vehicles.
The Loco's my dad drives are al GM trains and they have about 4000 litres of fuel in them I beleive, something like 300 cubic inches a cylinder, and they are generally V16's or 20's, all 2 stroke diesel's so supercharged at least.
To my understanding the original Viper's V10 was based on an iron block and all out of a large cab chassis like F350 size or something.
Frank N. O.
11-05-2004, 06:10 AM
Yup VQ, that's what I heard too, that the original V10 8L engine was from one of Chrysler's larger series pick-ups, then sent over to Lamborghini to be remade (they owned them at the time).
Maybe the Triton 5.4 V8 Ford engine is also from a pick-up but to my knowledge both used in the fantastic 2000 Ford SVT Mustang Cobra R and the Ford SVT Lightning.
Frank
blackice111288
11-06-2004, 08:51 AM
i dont remember the Ram having a v10 option
Frank N. O.
11-06-2004, 09:04 AM
Well maybe it was the van, I just know that that is all I've ever heard was that it was from the Chrysler Corporation truck-program. But then again 8 liters is a lot, my brother's old Volvo F613 Turbo 6 13ton truck only had a 6L engine but that was indeed a real truck, big wheels, cabover, wide-track, the works.
Frank
Justin Martin
11-06-2004, 09:28 AM
i dont remember the Ram having a v10 option
The Ram has had a V10 option on the 2500/3500 models since '94, I think. The Viper V10 is only loosely related to it, though, and btw, it has a larger bore than stroke.
I'll just quote what I said a few months ago on RSC on the same debate about the Viper V10 being a truck engine:
And the whole truck engine comment is a bit off-base, as was pointed out, the car does have a good weight distribution. I can think of quite a few other sports cars with less than lofty engine origins. The Rover V8 used in TVRs, Morgans, and such is based off a 40 year old Buick engine, and has been used in Land Rovers. The Lotus Twin-Cam is based off a Ford Cortina block. Pre-LS1 Corvettes often used the same engine that's in my truck, just with better tuning.
The Viper V10 differs quite a bit from the Ram V10, and that's enough to establish it's pedigree. The argument that the engine partially makes the sports car is reasonable, but it's the tuning that makes the engine. Calling a Viper V10 a truck engine isn't quite fair.
chris
11-06-2004, 04:16 PM
Ultimately, the sports-car makes the sports-car. ;)
If the Viper wasn't good, everyone bar the most obssessive fans of it would have by now called it a stinking pile of crap. ;)
VQ
11-06-2004, 10:43 PM
Yeah I know it's evolved and it is a good car, i love it, it's just an example.
Y2kGoofball
11-07-2004, 01:07 AM
unfortunately I didnt get to go to this years motorshow, thanks to Mr Mickcals working of a weekend which as the name suggests is the end of the week for normal people I noticed he got to go during the week when normal people work :mad:
anyway good pics, although I still dont really think this years show was all that good. I wasnt really impressed with last years which was the first one I went to
blackice111288
11-08-2004, 03:59 AM
Ultimately, the sports-car makes the sports-car. ;)
If the Viper wasn't good, everyone bar the most obssessive fans of it would have by now called it a stinking pile of crap. ;)
whoevery says the viper isn't good deserves a swift punch to the gut :)
i think the best model is the 2001 GT-S, the royal blue hardtop with the flames. the hardest viper tho was the Hennessy Viper Venom 800, the one with the twin Garrett turbos (i cant remember what size, i'll look it up) and built motor making 830 hp. I saw different times posted for it, Motor trend pulled a 10.01 with it, somebody else had managed a 9.99 out of it.
chris
11-08-2004, 04:06 AM
To be honest, the only Viper I like is the GTS/R model. That is the one that has most appeal to me, because it really has the proper performance to back its wild looks. It's a great race-car for endurance racing, and I like those types of cars. :)
It was only just recently out-done by newer and superior stuff like Ferrari 550 GTO, 575M-GTC and Saleen S7, along with the very new Maserati MC12 Competizione (it has given everyone something to think about). But the Vipers are still around, and still not doing too badly for their relatively old age.