the car for the people that think a Hummer is a bit small

[FeZ]

The International CXT ("Commercial Extreme Truck")

http://www.promotex.ca/articles/cawthon/2004/2004-09-15_article.html

Insane :eek:

[monaro]

oh my god that is a monster.

I still would rate the unimog higher, this is just a semi with a truck bed welded on

[Sepecat]

I wouldn't mind having this... LoL Hell I hate the H2, but this, how can you not love this beast?

:D

[VQ]

Yeah, well I'd like it if it was lower to the ground, and was rwd and was a real truck rather then a "pickup" cos I prefer car based utes.

[blackice111288]

Yeah, well I'd like it if it was lower to the ground, and was rwd and was a real truck rather then a "pickup" cos I prefer car based utes.


car based utes arent real trucks....lol :D

oh great, another big piece of steel to scare the crap out of me while im not driving the suburban. And im already nervous in the Suburban, its big enough.
but its not even close to the size of that thing!

see, i have no problem with trucks and suv's if they are being used for a reason, like toting a large family or hauling equpment, or if they are lowered so i can see past or around them. Its those big crazy lifted 4x4's, and Ford Excursions driven by people trying to look rich blocking my view that i cant stand. i promise you im gonna get in a accident cause of these things crowding the streets.

[VQ]

You use a van for large familys, not 4x4's seriously, I've recently been in my mates Land cruiser and I was uncomfortable in the middle seat, low floor vans have a lot more height, length and general space, 4x4's are no where near as good for carrying teenagers, maybe little kids but definetly not teens and adults.

[blackice111288]

you must have never been in a Suburban or Yukon or Excursion sized truck, have you? i'f you dont fit comfortably in those things, well in the words of Cartman (on southpark) your one fat f@#$!! lol ^_^

those thing are huge on the inside!!

[VQ]

but do they have lots of leg room? I fitted fine to get in and all, but my legs were pretty sqaushed.

Obviously you've never been in a Volkswagon Carravelle, they are comfy, haven't been in a current tarago, but I think their alright too, too bad I dislike Toyota...

[blackice111288]

you must be like 6'7" or something, cause at 6' or 6'1" i have plenty of legroom. and no i haven't been in any VW vans, i dont think i've been in any vw's now that i think about it. but if its anything llike the old chevy conversion vans with the 350's this i can relate, its almost like sitting in a chair in your living room, its so much space in there, not to mention the carpet and TV in the cabinet :D

[Justin Martin]

The VW vans are a fair bit smaller than the full-size American vans. I think they're maybe a bit larger inside than a American minivan. Narrower, though, I think. VW sells very few of them here, maybe one or two thousand a year if I remember right. Ferrari probably outsells the VW vans here.

[VQ]

Well, regardless, I am very sqaushed in a Landcruiser, because the floor is flat and has no dips to put your feet down.

The one's I'm talking about were known as the Vanagon and the Eurovan, the Eurovan is the 8 seat version, and comfy as hell, but not rear engined like the VW van's your thinking of.

[blackice111288]

landcruisers are fairly cramped, i'll give you that, but they arent as big as the truck im ytalking about. i think the only truck on the same scale in the Nissan Armada with the 5.6 v8, but its ugly.

[Justin Martin]

The one's I'm talking about were known as the Vanagon and the Eurovan, the Eurovan is the 8 seat version, and comfy as hell, but not rear engined like the VW van's your thinking of.

Not sure if you're talking to me or blackice, but the Eurovan is what I was referring to.

[VQ]

Bit of both, but, anything bigger then a Landcruiser, the one I'm thinking of is this one:
http://clausenbilar.com/Toyota%20Landcruiser.jpg http://www.auto-weller.de/news-inc/toyota/img-vis/landcruiser.jpg, not the Prado which your thinking of, which is a medium sized 4x4. We also have the Nissan Patrol, which is just as uncomfortable, in all three different model's I've been in (80's design, 90's model and current one) www.carrental.is/ hp/big_pic/patrol.jpg
Huge waste of space IMO, our van is as big, but way more comfortable and we can hold all of our holiday stuff for a 2 week holiday in the back behind the seats, and we have a lot of stuff being a family of 6.

[Y2kGoofball]

heh I saw this in todays CarsGuide in the paper, looks more like a semi to me ^_^

They only cost $123 000 for the base model but guzzle fuel. For Sydneysiders they reckon a round trip (there and back) from Penrith to Sydney City would cost roughly $56 in fuel :eek:

Our Commodore only costs $40 to fill even with todays petrol prices and it lasts longer then a trip to and from the city

[VQ]

$40? have you only got a 40 litre tank? it's 1 dollar a litre for fuel atm.

We fill the Golf up for $55 or so, with diesel, and get amost 1000km's out of a tank in city driving, and highway driving without the hover on the back we can get more then 1000km's to a tank. And it's a 9 year old TDI golf!

But then again, it is a diesel so what would expect, other then the fact it can launch faster then a V6 commodre.

[blackice111288]

i cant remember what the conversion factor is from AUS dallars is to American dollars, but it cost us 50 bucks for a full tank in the suburban. for a car like a commie it would only cost like 20 or so. i know a boy with a 96 honda accord sedan that fills up with $12 and it lasts for about 2 weeks.

[VQ]

Fuel economy is good, but it's a sacrifice you make for performance, and if you dont then your car is not a performance car.

[blackice111288]

every one doesnt need sports cars, fuel prices would be sky high, along with insurance and death tolls on road ways.

thats why i really dont car about what kind of car people drive anymore. i used to be like you, you know, "oh all you have is speakers and a muffler-you ricer blah blah blah... :) " but i dont care now, cause i see now a car is just a means of getting from point-A to point-B safely, and for people who can afford it- style, most people aint out to drive for sport, for the ones that do, they have sports cars. So i dont care anymore about fake street race cars, people driving trucks (whether they need to or just to look cool), cars with really big rims, i just see them as a means of getting where you need to go,
and for those few moments when you're on that empty winding road, for sport :racer: .

[Justin Martin]

Fuel economy is good, but it's a sacrifice you make for performance, and if you dont then your car is not a performance car.

There are some Lotuses, expecially the old ones, that get extremely good gas mileage. If I remember right, the original Elite's would easily top 35mpg. Even the Elise is fairly fuel efficient, better than many midsize sedans.

Performance and gas mileage both benefit greatly from weight reductions, and with a low enough weight there is no need for a huge engine. High performance and good gas mileage are NOT muturally exclusive.

[VQ]

If you veiw driving as a chore, you will never enjoy it truly and from what I have read, you are more likely to have an accident because you are not as alert as someone who enjoys doing it.

[chris]

Justin is right, the Elise has excellent fuel economy. The S2000 also has good fuel economy if driven normally and not thrashed along.

The first Elise was so light that it doesn't need a great big engine to power it, and with the small economy-car engines they first put in it (Rover K Series 1.8 litre with 85kW) comes great fuel economy.

Over in Europe, a tuner does a turbo-diesel engined version of the Opel Speedster. It is quite fast, good for 230km/hr or something like that, but has frugal fuel consumption. Rather a shame about the noise from the engine. :(

It has that typical small turbo-diesel sound.

[VQ]

I like the noise of a modern day TDi motor, at least the Europeon ones, the jap ones dont' sound as good, maybe for you it sound bad, but it's no different to a V8 at high revs for you or me. or the old 3.8 commodore motor, which you complain about being harsh at high revs when most people don't rev their auto's past 3000.

And I know that fuel economy is important in racing, but you can't have high horsepower without lower fuel economy, you can get decent economy, even on a supercharged V8, not much lower then 15l/100km's, when driven nicely, like everything else, considering the fact a supercharger uses hp and more fuel, and with tuning you can get a modern V8, like the Holden LS1 motor, get 10l/100km's with a retune to make the engine run on tune, not rich, and change the exaust to be more effeicient, you gain hp, but lower fuel economy.

[blackice111288]

If you veiw driving as a chore, you will never enjoy it truly and from what I have read, you are more likely to have an accident because you are not as alert as someone who enjoys doing it.

you must have missed this part
"and for those few moments when you're on that empty winding road, for sport"

i didn't say driving was a chore, i love driving (FAST), what r u talking about?

im not alert when driving just cause i dont give a hoot about what everyone else is driving? im a very good driver, i've been driving since i was 13.

[VQ]

I'm talking about alert when driving! being attentive of everything happening, not the cars.

You may have been driving since you were 13, but that doesn't mean you culd eb a good driver. I don't know. you might be, but just cos you have been driving since then you won't know.

[Justin Martin]

I'm talking about alert when driving! being attentive of everything happening, not the cars.

You may have been driving since you were 13, but that doesn't mean you culd eb a good driver. I don't know. you might be, but just cos you have been driving since then you won't know.

You've been driving for what, a month or two now, and you're already an expert on driving? Cool it with the animosity, you have no idea how good or bad of a driver blackice is, and you CANNOT judge someone's driving abilities by a simple comment.

You have NO reason to go off on him like that.

[VQ]

I'm not an expert, hell no, heck, I'm trained at all yet, but that's the thoery and what I have read about, you should be attentive etc.

[blackice111288]

for me, rule #1 is to watch every one else on the road and expct them to do stupid things (like running lights, stop signs, turning in front of you when there's clearly not enough room and your going to fast, people cutting lanes, ect.) or in other words treat them like they dont know how to drive. my mom taught me that. and to use blinkers before you turn (unlike my dad :) )

[Justin Martin]

I'm not an expert, hell no, heck, I'm trained at all yet, but that's the thoery and what I have read about, you should be attentive etc.

Attentive and having fun are two seperate things. Last night I drove two and a half hours on a narrow two lane road in the fog. Was I being attentive? Damn right I was. I was paying 100% attention to what I was doing. Was I having fun? HELL NO!


When I first started driving, I jumped at any opprotunity to drive. (and still do many times, since most drivers make me a nervous passenger) No matter how long or short the trip, it was fun. The ultimate feeling of freedom.

But eventually, normal daily driving becomes a chore. Slogging through bumper to bumper rush hour commute traffic, devoting 100% attention to making sure that some dumbass doesn't run you over, is not fun. Neither is driving at night on a two lane road in the fog, knowing that you're only a meter away from the sure death of a head-on collision.

But just because I do not relish driving in those conditions does not mean I don't pay attention in those, no, ALL, conditions. And I certainly look forward to any opprotunity to unwind my Celica down a winding country road. But those opprotunities are few and far between, particulary now that i've moved out of my parent's house and now live on the edge of the city, and there are no fun roads anywhere near my normal path.


As far as the theory goes, I would want to see the whole theory, and the study that produced it, to judge the source and whether you are stating it correctly before I make any kind of judgement. There is probably some truth that a skilled driver having fun is more safe than a skilled driver who is bored. On the other hand, i'd say the average driver, driving "enthusiastically" is probably quite unsafe. I've ridden with some people who certainly were having fun, and they certainly weren't driving safely. I went to school with a guy who stuffed his MR2 under a 18 wheeler earlier this year, no doubt he was having fun until the last few seconds of horror realising he'd just made a fatal mistake. (double, since he had a passenger who also died)

No, how much fun a person is having is not a good way of judging how close of attention they are paying or how safe of a driver they are.

[Sepecat]

Since H2 is mentioned here, GM is working on an H3 which is bit smaller than the H2, however you get 20 MPG/City...

If it gets 20, then it will do better than some of current SUV's in the market, the price will be somewhere around $37000.... However GM has not said what it will be priced at...

[blackice111288]

Since H2 is mentioned here, GM is working on an H3 which is bit smaller than the H2, however you get 20 MPG/City...

If it gets 20, then it will do better than some of current SUV's in the market, the price will be somewhere around $37000.... However GM has not said what it will be priced at...


so basically its the Tahoe of the Hummer brand?

[Justin Martin]

so basically its the Tahoe of the Hummer brand?

The H2 is Tahoe/Suburban based, the H3 is based on the Trailblazer. But it's definitely Tahoe price range.

[blackice111288]

i heard they are drastically reducing H2 prices for the lack of sales. is that true? i certainly see a lot more H2's than H1's.

[VQ]

I wouldn't be suprised, but thena gain people get the H2 and H1 for the tax cuts mainly because even though the tax cut is for tractors, these, THINGS can also do it.

[DCsplash]

What a great piece of marketing the H2 & H3 are, people actually believe they are capable off roaders, the likes of Touareg and Land Cruisers out class them. Prototype H3's have been practically laughed off the Rubicon this summer, mainly by Jeep Liberty drivers ^_^

[blackice111288]

I wouldn't be suprised, but thena gain people get the H2 and H1 for the tax cuts mainly because even though the tax cut is for tractors, these, THINGS can also do it.


what tax cut? if anything, they are paying more taxes-property taxes, gas guzzler taxes, luxury tax (are they still doing that or was that voted away?)

Prototype H3's have been practically laughed off the Rubicon this summer, mainly by Jeep Liberty drivers


^_^ ^_^ ^_^ ^_^

[Justin Martin]

I wouldn't be suprised, but thena gain people get the H2 and H1 for the tax cuts mainly because even though the tax cut is for tractors, these, THINGS can also do it.

http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?siteid=google&dist=google&guid=%7B364A01C1-7836-489D-A8AD-5174BA53EF53%7D

Not anymore, thank god.

What a great piece of marketing the H2 & H3 are, people actually believe they are capable off roaders, the likes of Touareg and Land Cruisers out class them. Prototype H3's have been practically laughed off the Rubicon this summer, mainly by Jeep Liberty drivers ^_^

Spoken like a true G-wagon owner. :D

[DCsplash]

^_^ , wondered if i'd get away with that :)
Unfortunately still not an owner.