My new old truck, a 1982 Toyota diesel pickup with long bed, 5 speed and air conditioning. It has only 55K miles on it and runs great. My first tank of fuel yielded 39 MPG. :D
I know that this will be a yawner for europeans and Aussies among us but in America older diesel vehicles like this are a rather rare sight. :)
bogs
10-01-2004, 02:53 AM
My new old truck, a 1982 Toyota diesel pickup with long bed, 5 speed and air conditioning. It has only 55K miles on it and runs great. My first tank of fuel yielded 39 MPG. :D .......
I know that this will be a yawner for europeans and Aussies among us but in America older diesel vehicles like this are a rather rare sight. :)
Rare find indeed there Kyzr -^ I had the 2.2 2bbl version of what you have there ( Toy LB ) , and it served well enough for 6 years for what it was . I finally picked up the truck I was looking for for so long though and left it in a heartbeat . My mileage wasn't anywhere near yours ( mine had the 4 spd . auto tranny , and I was nailing down about 12 mpg :eek: ) , so for me moving to my ideal and much more needed 92 F250 worked out great . Same mileage , an engine ( 351 c.i. Windsor f.i. ) and tranny ( aod 4 spd. ) I'm much more familiar with and of course , the HUGELY expanded capacity of carrying load ( renovating my house ) made it a no comparison situation . I can only hope I have similar luck with the miles I extracted out of that Toy with the F250 ;)
Of course , neither of my trucks looked nearly as nice as yours does :D
FeZ
10-01-2004, 03:28 AM
Hey Keyzer, welcome to the Diesel-World :D
39 mpg = 6 ltr/100 km, that is very impressive even for todays standards.
Justin Martin
10-01-2004, 03:15 PM
My new old truck, a 1982 Toyota diesel pickup with long bed, 5 speed and air conditioning. It has only 55K miles on it and runs great. My first tank of fuel yielded 39 MPG. :D
Impressive gas mileage. =)^ Looks really good too. With the way gas prices are, I almost wouldn't mind having that engine in my Celica, you're beating me by about 10mpg-15mpg. :eek:
DCsplash
10-01-2004, 04:46 PM
A bit different to the huge beast you posted pics of before.. Great MPG as well, and a US gallon is slightly less then imperial gallon, so thats well over 40 mpg.. Although we now use litres in the uk,, litres/100 km still means absolutely nothing to me ^_^ ..
You doing some landscaping at the moment Kyz?
VQ
10-02-2004, 01:13 AM
jeez, all the toyota hilux's we have older then 3 years are all in horrible condition and any diesel Toyota is gutless like anything, which is why I prefer euro diesels. But nice find, and impressive milage! we get similar milage on the Golf, in mixed driving.
KyzrSoze
10-02-2004, 10:13 AM
An example of how rare these old diesels are. Look at what this example yielded on ebay, even with 212K miles on the odometer.
Ebay listing - Toyota truck (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2490055884&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT )
@Bogs
Wow! I never knew that 22R gas Toyotas got as bad as 12 mpg…eek!
You are right though, if you are going to get bad fuel mileage, you might as well have a heavy duty truck.
@IH8COPS
Yes, I was surprised by the fuel mileage as well. I have to admit that about 70% of the first tank of fuel was spent on the highway, hence the 39 mpg. I expect more in the range of 33-35mpg in mixed driving, still quite respectable for a pickup. It’s not quite as peppy as a Celica either, but it drives much better than I expected.
@ Fez
I am enjoying the world diesel. I have to readjust my thinking so that I don’t accidently pump the wrong fuel, and since diesel isn’t at just every fuel station I have to figure out the best places to buy. Again, I was also surprised by the mpg.
@Splash
Yes, compared to my other truck - the beast with the 7.4 liter motor – the fuel mileage is excellent. I have gotten in the range of 9-14 mpg with that one, but then I could carry the Toyota truck around in the bed of that truck. It would kind of be like having a Toyota lifeboat. ^_^
No, no landscaping for me. That pic was taken in the parking lot of my office. Me and my partners rent office space from the landscaping company. Very convenient as it is only 2 miles from my home – an easy morning commute.
bogs
10-02-2004, 05:14 PM
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@Bogs
Wow! I never knew that 22R gas Toyotas got as bad as 12 mpg…eek!
You are right though, if you are going to get bad fuel mileage, you might as well have a heavy duty truck....
Yah , it was a let down to me , too :( When I first bought it , I wasn't expecting anywhere near your extraordinary mileage with it , but I did think I might get some 18 mpg or so ( after all , my mothers Explorer and Fathers Avalanche BOTH get well over 15 mpg !?!? ) . To average out at 12 every time and have to refill it every 2-3 days was , to say the least , disappointing :rolleyes:
I will add , though , that the rest of the truck was what kept it in my driveway for 6 years . I paid about $400.00 for it , and for the money there is just no way I could complain too much , but it did handle very well and it had Toyota's version of a work suspension , sooooo..... heh .
Unfortunately , or maybe fortunately , I had earlier this year found a Ford Ranger that had 4wd and a 5 spd ( the Toy was a 4spd auto 2wd ) and a larger bed that gets 16 mpg no matter what driving I'm doing , and of course my new joy the F250 . Sitting in the New England area as I do , 4wd certainly helps and , as I said earlier , the gas mileage being the same or better made the decision to move off the Toy a no brainer .
I notice that , since I've owned the 2 fords , getting into our jeep feels like I'm falling down as its so much lower , and I KNOW the Toy was even lower than that . Wonder if you ever get that impression when switching from your huge hauler to that Toyota ? ^_^
I certainly hope your truck keeps working out for ya , it sounds like a helluva find -^
VQ
10-02-2004, 09:16 PM
I know why there popular, because all the "cool people" want them to modify them and put hydryalics and stuff like that on them.
But, I've noticed since i started driving that my mum never lets go of the accelerator when idling, you know you can do that, because of the governer, or can all modern EFi cars do that anyway?
Y2kGoofball
10-03-2004, 04:34 AM
is that in a auto or manual :
auto ... why would you bother keeping your foot on the pedal? All your doing is reving the engine wasting petrol!
manual ... same thing as above, plus when you change gear you rev the shite out of the engine because when you clutch it your disengaging the gear box
VQ
10-03-2004, 05:36 AM
have you ever driven a carby powered car ever y2K? they stall if you let go of the accelerator, obviously EFi stops thats, which is what all diesels are, injected.
And also, when you change gears, you let go of the accelerator, and you have to rev it because keeping it at low rpm means you don't move very fast do you?
I know on Auto's you can, but that's the stall converter doing that. And I was talking about manuals yes, which did you first learn on Y2K?
Justin Martin
10-03-2004, 08:40 AM
have you ever driven a carby powered car ever y2K? they stall if you let go of the accelerator, obviously EFi stops thats, which is what all diesels are, injected.
I wouldn't think it would stall once the engine is warmed up if everything was running right. Perhaps some cars might, but all of the carburatored cars that i've driven that had properly running carburators idled fine with no throttle. That includes my truck with its allegedly extremely difficult to rebuild Quadrajet.
bogs
10-03-2004, 10:57 AM
I'm not sure exactly what he's getting at either . If he's talking about starting off ( shift into first , apply gas , let out clutch ) , that would be the same carbed or not .
If on the other hand , he's talking about just idling , I have no idea . You shouldn't have to rev a carburated vehicle just to keep it from stalling , if thats the case I would hazzard a guess that you might have a vacuum leak somewhere , or your idle is set wrong , or your timing is off , or any of a million other possibilities .
Cmon Vq , give us more detail as to what exactly you are referring to . :confused:
VQ
10-03-2004, 11:30 PM
I'm talking about in starting off without the accelerator I think, this is just information I have been told from my Dad, which is generally accurate, but I just misunderstand it.
Justin Martin
10-04-2004, 09:13 AM
EFI vs carburator doesn't really make a difference there. There's nothing specific on a typical EFI car to keep it from stalling. I can take off without the throttle in my EFI Celica, barely, but it has a fairly torquey (by 4cyl standards) 22RE. I've driven a fair number of EFI cars that I doubt it could be done except maybe going down a hill. And on the carburator side, i've driven some old trucks that were geared so low that stalling them was nearly impossible.
Being able to take off without the throttle in a gas car is all about low end torque and low gearing.
I understand that at least some, perhaps all, diesel engines have a governor that will try to keep it from stalling. At least that's what I was told when I drove a 2.5 ton military truck, which is the only diesel i've driven with a manual. That could be completely wrong, i've never worked on a diesel. The vast low end torque of a diesel certainly helps alot too.
blackice111288
10-04-2004, 01:58 PM
auto ... why would you bother keeping your foot on the pedal? All your doing is reving the engine wasting petrol!
took the word right outta my mouth. i never keep my foot on the gas pedal while idling, whether in auto or manual.
maybe its something wrong with the idle controll thing on the throttle body, like its clogged or something, and she has to keep the pedal depressed?
VQ
10-04-2004, 11:36 PM
no it is the governer from stopping it from stalling, at least that's what dad told me, and that I was lucky I was learning in a diesel because otherwise I would ahe stalled it a lot more then when I did when I let go of the clutch with the brakes on in gear.
wello
10-05-2004, 05:46 AM
VQ SAID
have you ever driven a carby powered car ever y2K? they stall if you let go of the accelerator, obviously EFi stops thats, which is what all diesels are, injected.
thats news &( to me VQ all the cars i have owned over the last 20 odd yrs have been carby powered cars range from 1 to 3 carbys and never had then stall when I took my foot of the go pedal
buy the way nice ute(truck to you guys :p ) KyzrSoze
I get dig cam out and post a pic of the ute I brought not long ago
blackice111288
10-05-2004, 07:50 AM
i've driven maybe 3 carbeurated cars in my time (all 16 years ^_^), and thay didnt stall when i let off the accelerator. if you think about how a carb works, there really is no reason for it to stall. they have adjustable idle air screws, am i right? i dont know all the intricacies of carbs, just the basics, so im guessing the carbs on the cars you drove eithier wasnt tuned right for idling, or i dunno, thats all i can think of right know.
what season was it when you drove these cars? spring, summer, fall, winter?
was it hot or cold outside? cause all those factors make a difference in air pressure, which affects the A/F ratio in the carb for s set screw position.
thats my take on it, i could be wrong, im no carb expert, but using common logic and knowing the basics of carbs, thats the only thing i could think of.
VQ
10-06-2004, 12:38 AM
I've already corrected myself, but I'm also going on Dad's information, his last carbied car he drove was a HG with a three on the tree and a 161, since then it's been diesel VW's I think.
He did say that when he had to learn to go up a hill at crawling speed going lock to lock, he had to use the clutch and the accelerator to keep it moving, but I have misinterpreted his info probably.