Why is Bathurst the ultimate race?

[Y2kGoofball]

Please dont move this thread, PLEASE ( I need all to see and comment)

I need to know why Bathurst 1000 is the ultimate race in 25 words or less :D

Funny preferred, but anything accepted!

[chris]

Put quite simply, it's not the ultimate race. It is a local event with little international significance for a series of expensive taxis. ;)

I'm sorry, that's not what you were looking for but I couldn't help it. ;) Is this for some sort of Channel 10 competition or something?

[Y2kGoofball]

your right that didnt help

its for a competition, not channel 10 tho

[chris]

So, which competition is it for, and what's the prize? ;)

[VQ]

damn you Chris :P. I won't answer in 25 words, but anyway.

Bathurst is the ultimate race for Australia because it is such a difficult track, we get all sorts of drivers coming around the world to just simply race becuase the track, to master it is so difficult.

And Chris, they are not expenvie taxi's, and you know that, they are peices of fine honed machinery clothed in body's that look similar to the road cars. I mean it might not be as exclusive, but that is the whole reason it is so popular because you can aspire to make your road car look like it at the very least.

[chris]

Yeah I know, I'm just stirring.. ;)

Bathurst is a unique circuit characterised by sudden changes in elevation, uncompromising narrow sections, and long straights. That's why the circuit is special.

There, that's under 25 words.

[wello]

if you have ask that question you will never know the answer young grasshopper ^_^

but to make it short I've been watching the great race very year for the last 30+ years and I feel its a true test of man and machine it brings out the best and worst in all teams regardless if theres a blue oval or a red pussycat on the grill :p

[Y2kGoofball]

eh its a start ^_^

Chris - its a comp for a newspaper ... their giving away tickets for the 2 days which your a visitor of the Holden Racing Team, so you spend time with them in the pits plus get treated to a corporate suite for lunch etc.

I figured why not send in a few entries ... might be lucky :rolleyes: which is why I thought i'd ask you guys here to get some different answers

[SquiresAU]

Bathurst's a pretty intense track, and, as much as TV presentation can give it cred with our races and international races, its not exactly what it looks like on TV. Its even MORE extreme. Had the honour of walking around the track myself..... stunning.

Not really what you were asking for GoofBall, what i intended to say has pretty much already been said. :D

[Y2kGoofball]

thanks

yes it is an experience to be there

I was able to drive the track twice on my learners, and since getting my provisionals (p's) ive been a few times, as mums had work in bathurst township itself and ive tagged along in the commodore for obvious reasons

acctually the last time i was at the mount i used half a tank of fuel doing constant laps so i got bored, brought 2 x dynamik 1:43 classic carlectable models at the bathurst museum and sat up the top at reid park just looking over the cars till mum finished her work there ^_^

it is different to what you see on tv, especially the dipper and esses!!

[FIATLOVE]

I only know the track from virtual racing, all I can say is;
Bathurst is for me rated as #2 most wanted to drive in real life, my #1 is (and will always be) Nordschleife Green Hell.

I don't have a specific #3.. :)

Bathurst is a blast all the way, so very intense, extremely thrilling in every curve.
-^

:Peace: AMORE :Peace:


Mads

[VQ]

The only accurate Bathurst track i've seen is in V8C, in Race Driver it is so unnaccurate, but the V8 f1C mod is accurate too i beleive, I too want to go there, but won't this year unless I magically get a job in the next 4 weeks....

[Y2kGoofball]

VQ then you'd also have to include the cost of travel, camping or accomodation, food ...

Fiat what game are you basing that on (just curious which game your using as your base for comment ...) as VQ says alot are way off

Personally for me, who has done many laps (at 60 kph) of the mountain and has a general feel for the real thing V8 Challenges is by far the closest, my only fault is the dipper drops down more in real life then what V8C appears too

Literally as you come over the hill to the dipper it just falls from below you, all you can see is the sky then a sudden drop. I think the first time I went round I did about 3 kph there, I'm now up to about 50 kph down the dipper!

Conrod also drops down fairly quickly. You can start at the top in neutral, and before your half way down already the cars in excess of 80 kph (a standard commodore) I end up shifting to 3rd (in the auto) which keeps it at a constant 60 kph till we get to where it starts to rise again, but you dont notice on TV or games just how high it drops. Mountain straights another, until your on it you dont notice how high it climbs then suddenly drops just before the right hander climb!

[Mickcals]

I think its the ultimate race, mainly because of its history.

Think about it, a small unknown town called Bathurst, hosts a major race event on an unsafe, everyday road. I mean the track did not resemble a race track. And then you look at how this simple road circuit began attracting national attention, and then international attention.

It used to be the simple cars that you buy from the shops, the Mercedes, Morris Cooper's, Mustangs, Vauxhall's all these cars, then to the 70's with Torana Vs Falcon Vs Charger the battle of the local muscle cars, then the 80's with Falcon Vs Commodore Vs Comaro and then with international attendition we saw BWM, Mercedes, Jag take the grid followed by the successfull Sierras and Skylines.

And now this the 90's and beyond 2000, the V8 Supercars, back to Falcon Vs Commodore.

Also dont forget about the track, fast all over with the huge change of elavtion, the view from the top of Skyline then the sudden plunge donw into the Esses, and then into the Dipper, then the long straight then a very fast dent in the road, now do this 1000 times and you ve got the ultimate race.

Now i know thats not 25 words or less, but thats the shortest i can explain it

[Y2kGoofball]

no, make it shorter

I need 25 words or less

[VQ]

One thing, whats a Comaro? you also forgot the Mustangs, but the track was designed in mind for racing in the 50's, I know this cos I looked it up once.

[Y2kGoofball]

but the track was designed in mind for racing in the 50's, I know this cos I looked it up once. it was acctually designed as a tourist drive by the rev head Bathurst mayor, which is why it comes off a side street in the township of Bathurst and goes in one 6.2 km loop

Then after completion the mayor announced "ay, thatd make a mad race track wouldnt it" which is where the racing comes into it

[VQ]

Yeah well, I was closer then what Mickcals was to the info :P

[Y2kGoofball]

heh nah you were right too, I cant remember the specifics of it but it wasnt really until the '50s that racing took off there because something about the local police chief banned it because of safety or something?

I cant remember but like I said your right too

[Mickcals]

It used to be the simple cars that you buy from the shops, the Mercedes, Morris Cooper's, Mustangs, Vauxhall's all these cars,

See VQ i did mention Mustang, althought a Mustang never won a Bathurst/Phillip Island 500 or a Bathurst 1000. The car i should have mentioned was the Cortina GT's.

Also i knew that Bathurst was made in mind to be a race track cause i remember Y2k telling me that a couple of years a ago.

One thing, whats a Comaro?

I ment Chevrolet Camaro, you know Kevin Bartlett's N0 #9 Channel Nine.

I think you could have picked up on that one it was a simple spelling mistake

[Y2kGoofball]

Mickcals dont forget they also brefilt mentioned it in that film at the Bathurst Museum at murrays corner ... I know we were using it as a cool sitting area during the saturday last year, but ive seen it a few times before, it briefly mentiones it at the start

[FIATLOVE]

First I tried it was for F1 mods, then I have drived alot in F1 99-02C Mods, like ETCC (Alfa Romeo 156 GTA 4 Cyl) and ITC96 (similar to DTM, I do off course drive the Alfa Romeo 155 :p )

And, in Toca RD2, but that feels alot more arcade than the F1 99-02C

HEY, my 2nd car was a VERY nice Cortina GT, I was 16 and didn't even had the licence yet, still that car beated a BMW 320i the first test drive (I can still remember the face of that yuppi) :D

:Peace:

[VQ]

Mickcals, the Camaro thing was a joke, relax, I have seen Bob janes orange alloy 427 engined one more then once, it really is awsome.

[Mickcals]

But talking about the Camaro's of the 80's, cause the earlier Camaro's didnt make a big impact at Bathurst

[Y2kGoofball]

youve killed my thread :mad:

And, in Toca RD2, but that feels alot more arcade than the F1 99-02C err Bathurst ... I'dve said more like a Roller Coaster then anything!

The only point a real V8 Supercars wheels come off the ground on that track is down the "dipper", because it literally just drops in front of you, although even then its only the cars front left wheel!

I can assure you they do not buck like a rodeo bull like on V8RD or RD2!

Also the times too quick, I do a lap in 1m 40 sec odd, whereas the best lap time for a V8 was set last year ... 2m 06 sec from memory!

[VQ]

I didn't know they raced them in group 3's in the 80's but I know they were raced in the late 60's with sucess, I mean they did win championships even if they didn't get bathurst, but the 80's was insane once they introduced the group a rules, all these cars normally never seen in aus all of a sudden raced.

[chris]

I wouldn't have minded seeing Group 5 cars race at Bathurst, Porsche 935's, BMW M1 Turbos, Ferrari 512 BBi's, etc, all of those outrageous machines.

Imagine a trying to race a poor handling 880bhp 935 around that circuit. :eek:

[VQ]

yeah, it would be screwed at the esses the most.

[Mickcals]

I didn't know they raced them in group 3's in the 80's but I know they were raced in the late 60's with sucess, I mean they did win championships even if they didn't get bathurst, but the 80's was insane once they introduced the group a rules, all these cars normally never seen in aus all of a sudden raced.

In the early 80's Kevin Bartlett raced the Chev Camaro in the Group C series.
He had pole for 1980 and 1981 Bathurst (I think) and i remember watching the first lap or so where it was the Camaro leading Brock's Commodore followed by Johnson's Falcon, with all three constantly swapping positions throughout the first couple of laps.

(Group A didnt arrive until 1985 when John Goss driving for Jag won Bathurst and Jim Richards won the championship in a BMW

Yes Bob Jane did win two championships with the Camaro, it was in 1971 and 1972.

[VSV6]

www.holdenvsford.cjb.net
That is a website I did for a school project.
It has every year of bathurst, who won it and in what car, with colour codes :D
Just thought it might help here

Cheers
-Mike