What BS - NZ might lose the V8's!

[Y2kGoofball]

http://www.v8supercar.com.au/news/latestnews/newsdisplay.asp?Ind=M&gid=12811

blah blah blah ...

Mr Cochrane: “We have major cities around the world such as Singapore, Dubai and Cape Town crying out for us to come there and here’s Auckland, who have been gifted the race, almost saying thanks but we can’t get it together.

C'mon, I dont care if NZ "cant get it together", I'd prefer New Zealand hosting a race then Dubai or Singapore or even China!

I think he's losing it, he had me interested with the "first overseas race" being Pukehoe, and honestly I reckon thats the only "overseas" race there should be because we have a few Kiwi drivers and when it comes down to it Aus and NZ are pracitcally like "family", we even have similar flags!

But when he wants to put the cars in China or Singapore or where? is when I stop taking interest.

I mean we already have 2 overseas owned teams, one of them is the practical "Ford factory team" (well if Ford had to chose a team it'd have to be FPR would it).

shortly V8 Supercars are going to lose their appeal as the Australian (and New Zealand) V8 Racing because their also in China, Japan, US etc etc

Why dont they just let skaifey have his godzilla back then :mad:


(Godzilla is the Skyline GT-R which Skaifey had at Gibson motorsport in the early 90's until it was seen by Holden and Ford to be too good and had both manufacturers announce "they go or we go" ... which is why I love the Skyline GT-R as much as the SS Commodore or HSV GTS!)

[Mickcals]

Nah i think they ll have a race in NZ they ll find one.

Yeah im not to crash hot about the overseas races, cause i dont think that the tracks suit touring car, i mean have you seen the Chinese track it looks very strang indeed.

[VSV6]

I agree with Murph (Greg Murphy I mean) that we should go to America, They lack a decent Road championship over there, and would love our V8s.
China is a waste of time but, so either keep it where it should be (Aus and NZ) or it'll go nutz, this comp isn't F1 or Indy Car it's just a home motorsport, what would happen if DTM started heading over to China?
There would be a lota pissed of German people! and that isn't something we want! ^_^

Cheers
-Mike

[murph_fan]

Exactly, well its called the ATTC meaning Australian (and NZ) but not Southern Oceania Championship or whatever lol.

I heard the other day that due to the NZ rally being on the weekend before and NZ wanting it to be several weeks afterwards, TC says no race in NZ if that happens. They shouldn't have even moved the NZ round to April, November was a much better time.

Also, as soon as it goes overseas and that, other manufactures will want to join and so in 10 years a lot of manufactures will be in it and that will ruin it in my opinion.

It also looks as though the Auckland Street Race is over, Transit says it will affect the trafic too much and the mayor of Auckland is against it. =[

[Cortina]

no matter what happens there will be a NZ race in 2005/6/7 and 8

[Y2kGoofball]

not if they piss of cochrane there wont be

Murph - yes, look at the early 90's when we had turbo 6 cylinder Skylines too fast and reliable, even after a power reduction, for the V8 Falcon and Commodore.

In the past 10 or so years Aussies have come to love their classic V8 battle between holden and ford. the only other mauf's that could really join are miutsubishi with the magna family car and toota with their camry family car

Things like the Audi safety car, although a V8, isnt really a family car ;)

Problem is the Camry comes in 4 cylinder, and recently 6 cylinder options, the magnas the same, but their not traditionally viewed as the car built for the aussie conditions with a big V8, even if they do whack a rear wheel driver V8 in their cars

Personally I think if they continue as is fans will start to follow other categories more strongly, there are things such as Commodore cup or Biante historics etc

[chris]

I agree with Murph (Greg Murphy I mean) that we should go to America, They lack a decent Road championship over there, and would love our V8s.
China is a waste of time but, so either keep it where it should be (Aus and NZ) or it'll go nutz, this comp isn't F1 or Indy Car it's just a home motorsport, what would happen if DTM started heading over to China?
There would be a lota pissed of German people! and that isn't something we want! ^_^

Cheers
-Mike

DTM already goes overseas. It goes to Donnington in the UK, and various other race tracks in Europe. It might even come to Australia in the future. ;)

Speaking of which, there are some rumours of a 1000km FIA GT race being held at Sandown race track. The venue has already previously been host to various World Sports Car championship events in various years, from the early 1980's and the late 1980's. Porsche 956C and Sauber C9 are among the winning machines at that circuit.

[rustynz]

wtf? nz can't lose our v8 round! it's raise a storm here ay, all the fans would want it back, and i'd hate cochrane for it too!

anywho... why would the v8s even consider going to china? there'd prolly be more worth in going to the US (as VSV6 said) , coz they do lack a decent road championship apart from the Transam's.

[VQ]

Why dont they just let skaifey have his godzilla back then :mad:

Ummm, I have asked Skaife and he would never go back to Nissan, so I don't know why you would give him one and besides, it's almost 3 year old car at the youngest now isn't it?

I don't want to see V8 supercars racing in countries were the cars aren't even SOLD! that's stupid, why bother? I mean, Americans won't know what it is, they have their own race, we don't need to send it over, becuase they should come here to see it if they really want to, because at least you can see the same cars in one form or another on the roads, unlike if you race in china where the closest to a Comodore in the future will be a buick badged Statesman or something.

[VSV6]

hmmm, good points VQ, damn Americans! ^_^
Your right about that thye should come here and stuff, why should we move there?
Taking a round of NZ is wrong, we are practically the same damn country! Lets just hope Mr. Cockhead Cochrane pulls his head out of his ass and realises this!

Cheers
-Mike

[Perko_Rulz]

Tony Cochrane is a COCH head, he is always on about how good the V8 Supercars have been since he has been there and all this bullshit about it being an international sport blah blah blah. In my books he is a pompas wanker.

[skaife_fan]

I dont reckon another manufacturer will join because I thought they needed to produce a certain number of 4 door v8s in Australia which I cant see someone like Mitsubsihi doing because they dont have a lot of money at the moment and it would cost a lot with research and development and all the rest. Toyota would have the money but still its a big job to build a four door V8. Anyway I could be wrong with some of that.

[rustynz]

you all have points here, Mr Cockrane does need to pull his ugly head out of his ugly arse (could they be interchangable? both ugly...) and actually look at what's best for the fans. taking the v8's to NZ has really lifted the following of the v8 supercars, but i still think it's not worth going to places where people say "what's a holden?" , coz they won't know the brands, or the cars. therefore, i reckon the v8 supercar championship should remain a nz and aus affair to the very end.

[VQ]

Toyota only sell vehicles that they can sell in large amounts around the world and are designed as cheap as possible, that's why they have so much money.

[Perko_Rulz]

Toyota produce V8's over in the states. Chip Gannassi racing, when they were in the CART series, had a V8 Toyota engine. They have the knowledge but they are trying to keep themselves next to the economical line in car manufactory.

[Mickcals]

Yes Toyota do have V8's in the US, in fact Toyota are planning of bring it to Australia and might be fitting it into the Camry or a new model.

Also remember the Avalon was a V8

[Y2kGoofball]

I thought it was only a V6?

anyway Mitsubishi have announced they wont be producing a V8 Magna, their having financial trouble in Aus and the last thing they want to do is waste valuable money on an idea that could either take off really well or dive them further into the red zone, especially after the cost involved to buy the equipment to design, develop the engine etc

[chris]

Avalon indeed was only a V6, and it was a old and pretty weak one at that (only 145kW).

Having V8 supercars go overseas is a nice idea. And besides, all of the best tracks are overseas. Here is a list of great tracks we have no answer for:

Road America
Enna Pergusa (this little track has scary ultra high speed chicanes from hell)
Spa Francorchamps
Nurburgring Nordschliefe
Monza
Brands Hatch
Sarthe circuit (24 hours of Le Mans).

The only decent tracks we have here in Australia are:
Phillip Island
Bathurst

And that's it. The rest are just too small mickey-mouse, stop-start snooze fests. Even the old Adelaide GP circuit, and it was a very small track to start with, and they have to shorten it as well??? Sadly they lost some great corners from that track.

Put these V8 drivers on the Nordschliefe and they are in awe - and can not believe the massive size and complexity of that circuit. Like Skaife for instance, when he nearly totalled an E39 BMW M5 at the fast Wipperman corner.

[Mickcals]

But you have to think, would the V8 Supercars themselves be able to negoiate around the tracks.

For example it would be very difficult putting a V8 Supercar on a track designed for Superbikes (and i know that Phillip Island is a motorcycle track).

But the same with the US, most of there tracks are designed for the Indy cars and NASCAR. Have you watched a touring car event from the US. Their tracks are very similar to those in the UK and even then they are thin tracks, that would only fit 1 1/2 of a V8 Supercar on it.

I d prefer that they stay in Australia and if they want more tracks than make them simple.

[Y2kGoofball]

I still prefer it to stay in AUS / NZ, especially aus, because you loose the appeal of being the Australian Touring Car championship (not that it is anymore)

I mean AVESCO = Aust. Vee Eight Supercar Organisation (or Aust. Vee Eight Supercar COmpany although the 1st is the correct title)

Once you head to China, its no longer Australian. I wouldnt mind events like Le Mans 24 hour ie its not championship.

Anyway thats my point of view, you dont have to agree &(

[chris]

If you use that mentality, then if it goes to NZ, then it's no longer Australian. The letters N and Z don't exist in AVESCO. ;)

But really, the overseas tracks I mentioned run DTM, V8 Star, FIA GT or ALMS so they'd take V8 supercars no problem at all.

The V8 Star cars are just like V8 Supercars, and about the same size (using things like Opel Omega, Jag S-Type and BMW E39 5 series as a base), and we all know FIA GT cars are not the smallest things on the planet (long-tailed Saleen S7's for instance).

Previously they already raced V8 Supercars at Phillip Island.