whats the best place for your stuff??

[DFS_Hummerboy21]

Well people, I have an eclipse and I wanted to know what should I do because I am not designing it as in where all my stuff goes right now but i need to know where is the best place t put a NOS tank????? Either the trunk or under the seats because it would be easy to reach it from the seats and we are going to tear the seats out of it anyway because you cant have a tight caar with people in the back can ya???? I thoguth so. Well I need to know your opinion and when I get my stuff working I will post pics of it for ya.

[Mike Henderson]

I'd probably put it in the trunk, you shouldn't really be fiddling with it while you're driving anyway ;)

You can get remote bottle openers that allow you to open the bottle with the flick of a switch, so you can just open/close it that way if you happen to come up to a stoplight next to a Camaro, and you know you need N2O to beat it ;) 8)~

[jtace]

Yeah, that's the most common place that I know of. Now where's my Shelby Cobra... )=)

[Justin Martin]

Yeah, most people put it in the trunk, or in the back seat area if it has been removed.

I don't know if you know this, but despite what many hotrod/import magazines say, N20 is hardly something for shade-tree mechanics to mess with. Being the son of a guy who teaches auto mechanics, I know what the results can be. It is not a simple bolt on 200hp increase like many people think, simply bolting on the N20 hardware can easily result in a blown engine.

The problem is this, N20 is an oxident, it increases the amount and volitility of the air in the engine, which increases horsepower. Now, remember your basic engine physics, you have to stay within a certain fuel to air mixture for it to run right. If you run too lean, the engine doesn't run right, and internal temperatures will increase.

So, if all you do is bolt on the N20, you have just substantially increased the amount of air in the engine without increasing the amount of fuel, which causes an extreme lean condition, which causes the internal temperature of the engine to increase, which can cause a blown engine.

Obviously, it depends on how big of a shot of nitrous you are using, i'm sure alot of people using small shots get by without increasing the amount of fuel, (though I would NOT recommend it, you will still run too lean) but for larger shots you will have to have a way of increasing the amount of fuel to the engine.


One thing I learned a long time ago about working on cars is this, if you don't know what you are doing, ask someone else who knows how to help you. Ignorance is the quickest way to make a cheap repair bill much more expensive. I'll readily admit to making a few simple, cheap repairs take more time and money. (though none of my mistakes have ever been very expensive)

If you do a N20 installation incorrectly, you are probably going to be looking at buying a new engine shortly there after. That is expensive in any car, expecially a imported sport compact. At least find someone who knows how to do it correctly to help you, and i'd highly recommend taking the car to a reputable local shop to have it installed, at least they'll guarantee their work.

I'm not against N20, if I was into drag racing, i'd use it. It is a great way to decrease 1/4 mi times, but it's not something to play around with either. I'm not saying you aren't experianced with nitrous installs, but given that you wondered where to put the bottle, it does look that way, and I couldn't stand silent and let you do it wrong. This is just a free piece of advice from a friend.

[DFS_Hummerboy21]

well I am pretty sure I am just getting small tanks for right now because I still need to get used to the speed because I used NOS plenty of times with my friends car but not in my eclipse and mainly because my friend is the one hookin up my car and his dad is helping him out and I am just kinda like a test dummy that drives very well but trust I konw how to use NOS well but I just get a little hevy footed when I clutch but I might just trade my car for my friends because he already has NOS installed with 9.47 time in slips on the car but heavy ass NOS tanks like 20 inch looking bottles but hey its worht it and I know how to drive his way better then mines

[jtace]

Good post Justin, Yeah I agree N20 is good stuff but you gota be carefull and do your homework otherwise it might not workout like you'd have hoped. Just like most everything though... :)

[AccadaccA]

Excellent post Justin -^


Mike : " that way if you happen to come up to a stoplight next to a Camaro,". LOL Gawd Dang, "If you ever want to get close enough to make out that it is a Camaro" is what you should have said.... and probably what you really wanted to say too. :D

[Mike Henderson]

Originally posted by AccadaccA
Mike : " that way if you happen to come up to a stoplight next to a Camaro,". LOL Gawd Dang, "If you ever want to get close enough to make out that it is a Camaro" is what you should have said.... and probably what you really wanted to say too. :D

Yeah, that sounds a bit better :D

Oh.. wait, this is the Shop Talk forum... I thought that said Trash Talk ;) :beer:

[Justin Martin]

LOL, well, actually a stock Eclipse GS-T is probably pretty closely matched against a stock V6 Camaro.

Against a stock Z/28 or SS, it'd be a different story of course, but still possible if you have a good engine. Of course, it's kinda silly to compare a Eclipse with $5000 to $10000 in engine mods to a stock Z/28 or SS. ;)

[DFS_Hummerboy21]

try an eclipse with $14000 and soon to have a imported japan engine and a few parts for it. dont ask how I got the money )=)

[Mike Henderson]

Originally posted by IH8COPS
LOL, well, actually a stock Eclipse GS-T is probably pretty closely matched against a stock V6 Camaro.

Against a stock Z/28 or SS, it'd be a different story of course, but still possible if you have a good engine. Of course, it's kinda silly to compare a Eclipse with $5000 to $10000 in engine mods to a stock Z/28 or SS. ;)

But who says my car's stock?? 8)~ )=)

Yeah, Eclipse's are cool cars. That AWD can rocket them off the line like mad, beating even a Z28 or SS.

[AccadaccA]

Oooh this could be good. Whats say we put the alleged Chocolate Eclair against the muscle bound Camaro?

Dang I would pay big money to see this live.

Too many youngsters saw the bullshit of the bigscreen and ran away from "The fast and the furious" thinking the movie was a true story.

Sorry guys and kiddies alike, it was all in the magic of Hollywood. That blown 69 Charger would seriously have whooped that rice burner like their was no tomorrow.

Sorry hum dude, this isn't a dig at you personally or anything.But look at it this way.
Take a stock Eclipse and a stock Camaro. ~ Race, look, listern & learn.
Spend 15 thou on each and do the same again. Sorry mate, the rice just took a dive to the bottom of the steamer & fried..

[MattB]

most kids my age love ricers, like hummer does........


but, acca has teached me the ways of muscle :D

[AccadaccA]

Matthew : I don't hold it against any of you guys. But in all honesty listen to us old farts who actually drive thumpin' V8s and know that the gas guzzlers are the only way to win. How many 4 cylinders are actual open class world champons in drag racing? Zip, zero zilch.

The old saying "Cubes equals grunt" always applies. "cubes" meaning "cubic inches" for you whipper snappers.

Sure you can spend a million on a new car & whack a NOS kit on a POS and it maybe a fast POS.... but for a very short time.
The Eclipse cost how much? The Camaro cost how much? Now spend the change of the Camaro back into it and see the shit fly out of a shovel! Same with Porsche, Ferrari or any expensive car. Put the change back into a old chunk of detroit muscle and hot dang you got yourself a ferrari eater that will last for many years.

You can't build skyscrapers on less than a solid foundation, without re-building 'em year after year.

[Mike Henderson]

You tell em AccA! :D

That's what I don't get. You buy, say a $20,000 import, put 10 grand into it, and you've got something that can run, what? high 12s in the quarter mile? Take a $25,000 camaro, that can run 12s stock, put 5 grand into it and you've got an 11 second car maybe.. plus you've got that V8 rumble, butt-loads of torque, and you can get sideways and fishtail whenever you feel like wasting some rubber :D

[AccadaccA]

Not to mention the pulling power to get you and your load outta the shit if the boat trailer or caravan gets bogged.
It may not be a concern under those examples but danged of you get snagged on a railway crossing.


I bet some supermarket shopping trolleys could out muscles some of these ricers. heh ^-^



Sorry hum dude, we seemed to have run away with this thread. To answer your question. The best place to put a Nitro kit is in a V8 powered car. Perferrable small in body size so there's a better power to weight ratio. Try an ol' Corvette (fiberglass is nice and light) or a 68/69 SS Camaro. Beeeeautiful.

You do that mate and I promise to be you cruisin' partner for life. -^

[MattB]

why cant everyone just appriciate cars for what they are????


recently l went to a car show for imports, and on the way home l went to the dragstrip to see a 56chevy race...........




mike, do u still have the video of the camaro u sent me on icq ages ago?????

its the one were the front of the car jumps up into the air, cause l lost it, and would like to see it again


Matt

[Justin Martin]

Originally posted by Matthew Button
why cant everyone just appriciate cars for what they are????

Yeah ;) I donno, I personally don't care a whole lot for the import scene, most of the addon body kits are insane, they look like they were styled by a 14 year old who just drank three or four sodas. ^_^ Hasn't anyone of my generation heard of the sleeper concept? And I honestly couldn't give a flip about drag racing, the only racing I care about turns left and right.

On the other hand, it has sparked a onslaught of performance parts for cars that used to be neglected, and has paved the way for some very interesting cars, like the Subaru WRX, the soon to be imported WRX STi and Mitsu Lancer Evo, the rebirth of the Nissan Sentra SE-R and Civic Si, and a overall focus on performance at the very low end of the automotive spectrum. And hot small cars can be alot of fun, particulary on a twisty two lane road. Which is why for $25,000, i'd be driving a Subaru WRX instead of the much prettier and slightly faster Camaro Z/28.


Of course, if I had a whole shit-load of money, I might go buy a '64 Chevelle or '67 Camaro, stick a Corvette IRS setup in the back, rack and pinion steering in the front (there's a company that makes bolt in rack setups for muscle cars) and spend alot of time at the track setting the car up, just to prove to all the nay-sayers that you can make a muscle car handle well.

A early Camaro is actually smaller and much lighter than a BMW M5, with an aluminum block and heads, fiberglass front end, you should be close to a 50/50 weight distribution, so there's no real reason why with the right mods, you couldn't make it into a very nice handling car. It's just that Chevy didn't design the car to be a road course burner. But nothing says it can't be redesigned into one. :D

[DFS_Hummerboy21]

Originally posted by Mike Henderson
You tell em AccA! :D

That's what I don't get. You buy, say a $20,000 import, put 10 grand into it, and you've got something that can run, what? high 12s in the quarter mile


My close friend and the guy who is fixing up my car is making sure it beats that because he bought a regular civic coupe and has it runnin aklmost perfect 9's with $12000 thrown into the car and soon he is to have a little bit more cash into it but his dad is all muscle but helps him with his car and even the dad is runnin 9's and 9 1/2's with his malibu but I am not and maybe never will say muscle is better then import but they are close :HB:

[AccadaccA]

It all comes down to your age as to which you prefer.

One thing we can all agree on is a combination of both would really kick ass.

Drop a big block into a ricer's shell and you are off to a good start for weight to power ratios.

A few years ago in Dandenong Victoria (Australia) I use to frequent the "Dandy drags" which was an illegal street racing scene held in the seclusion and saftey of an industrial area on saturday nights.

I saw and challenged a lot of well made cars. Ya win some, ya loose some. But the most hideous car I ever saw there was a Leyland mini with a 454ci in it. No lie, it didn't have a firewall or front seats and the steering & pedal were modified to reach the driver who sat on the back seat.

The guy didn''t even get a chance to run it down the quarter mile as the cops followed him into the street we all raced on. They plastered his windscreen with "Canaries" (yellow sheets of paper notifying the car was defected) to the point where it was impossible to view through it. Because the law says it is illegal for you to remove a canary until all requested work has been done he had to trailer his Mini home.

Okay a mini is not a ricer but I have also seen similar (yet more professional) jobs done on Jap cars.

A friend of mine shoe-horned a 327 into a Nissan Urvan. When I asked him "Why?" he replied "Because the 350 won't fit." This is the scene that I grew up around and this is why it's in my blood. I don't mean to offend any rice lovers, I am just trying to give my honest opinion and advice where I can.

Any new car today is paper thin and 3/4 plastic, not just ricers. And I do agree some ricers really fly, but we unfortunately live in a time where nothing is made to last. And I believe in buying locally made products to better your country's econemy.

If I had to buy an inported car my choice would be American musclecar reliability over Japanese "fast today ~ dead tomorrow" rice burners. They sometimes have the pace but not the stamina.

[Justin Martin]

LOL, speaking of cars being 3/4 plastic, one of my cousins used to have a '96 Z/28. Her brother has never been very impressed with the current generation Camaros, mainly the plastic bodies. He has a '69 Camaro. :D So he tells his sister that her Camaro is a fake because it's made of plastic, his Camaro is a real one because it is all metal, and he paid less for his real Camaro. ^_^

I don't know that age makes that much of a difference, my cousin is the same age that I am. Granted, he used to own a mildly riced Civic, before the '69 Camaro. Still, I think there are alot of people of my generation who like muscle cars exclusivly.


I like old cars period, imports or domestic They are easier to work on, and what they usually lack in reliability when compared to newer cars, they make up in being easier and cheaper to fix. I may be a techno nerd, but when I see things like BMW's I-Drive system, with it's 1000+ functions, I laugh. Honestly, do we really need that distraction? It doesn't get you from point a to point b any faster or more reliably, the only thing I would use in I-Drive that isn't in my truck is the Nav system, and only then when i'm in an unfamiliar area. But on the other hand, I already have that in my truck, I have a laptop with Street Atlas and a serial port GPS.

Gimme a radio that sounds good, an airconditioning system (or a convertible top for good ventilation) that will cool off the 110'F Texas heat, a heater that'll keep my southern butt nice and toasty in the two months a year I need it, then spend the money saved by removing that useless stuff to give the car some real cajones. And make it easy to work on, I intend to keep it 10 or 20 years, and I do all my maintenance. That's why I love the Miata and the 240Z, they get you from point a to point b with a grin on your face. :D Nothing more, nothing less.

[MattB]

acca, l know the type of event ur talking about.


there is an illegal drag racing event in my area from around 12pm sunday afternoons...............l've been a few times with my uncle, there is mostly muscle cars, but some ricers (never win anyway). the races are held in abanded warehouses, its safe and fun aswell.

[Commander]

The tires required to make that 9 second ricer hook up must look hilarious! I recall seeing the front-wheel-drive drags once, and the cars looked like they had their bodies on backwards, becasue the front tires were wide as hell, but the rear ones were normal. Weird stuff, hehe.

I am also a muscle lover. I could build a 10 second car for under $5000 (including the price of the car) if I went the "American Muscle" route. This is what I am looking for, not 30 grand!