My opinions about "railing"

[[SK]Mojo]

Launching your car off the 1st rail on Autobahn, to me is nearly as bad as using the "hole" on Schwarzy. I'm quite aware that it really sucks to accidentally hit that rail. But intentional pre-meditated railing ruins the game for me, and alot of other people. Makes me not even want to race you, I mean there's not even any stats to worry about. And I don't want to have damage on just to prevent people from "railing". I like to turn damage on sometimes because it adds another degree of challenge to the race. I know I am not alone w\ my feelings about this. When fast racers are in the pit, I look forward to trying to follow them and learn their lines. I can't learn much following you "railers" and "wall-bangers". I really can't see how it can be satisfying or fulfilling to win that way. I personally will never race like that. I guess everyone races for different reasons........:why: :well:

[[SK]Mojo]

I'd love to hear everyones feelings and\or thoughts on the subject.:HB: :racer:

[[XR]CARS]

Obviusly you know my answer, I Rail cuz I got used to it. For example, when I start fighting for Stats in Zone Industrialle bwd, I saw that the people who was in top use to let me behind in a certain place only, so I noticed they used to handbrake and not braking, I start doing that and suddenly I got a 1:54 bwd with GT1, I had to learn it so I could be in the stats. Railing is not the best way to drive, but it came with the game, it is just part of it.

Anyways this community is used to it cuz a lot of people does it, not because they want to, it is just because they are used to race with stats, and they can't change their driving of years to another which can be slower, so how make the world stop railing?

If it wouldn't be faster I wouldn't ever rail on purpose. Railing is just another way to drive.

[chris]

I reckon it is cheating, and it made the online racing an unpleasant experience.

Shame that NFS:PU didn't have some feature so that if you intentionally slide along the walls to gain time, that it gives you a 30 second time penalty.

But why should I care anyhow, I uninstalled NFS:PU at the same time the online racing servers went down. And used the free space for extra F12002 tracks.

[Baritone Black]

I think that wall tapping is acceptable, but railsliding is not. I always race with damage on if I can.

[Wazza]

I had a lot of fun, over Xmas last year, re racing all tracks, with damage on. Realising, there's a whole new side to the game.

It's very fun, just in an online race, with a crash on the first few corners, can make a VERY long race. :)

Zone bkw railing?
I used to always think the same, and 95% of the time would flip when railing into the shortcut entrance.. When it worked, it did make those fast 1:54 times. But not so long ago, around the end of EAOR, I did some racing on Zone again, offline, no rails, and then managed better times, and felt more of an achievement, with no railing, taking that unfair advantage.

[Commander]

I pride myself in having never railed intentionally. If I hit the walls, it was because I fugged up, and my time would prove it.

[D_Man]

I hate railing and was a reluctant railer just to be competitive. I never really got the hang of it as I didn't like it and didn't practice it.

Dave

[DeniX]

When i started to race NFSPU i didn't like rails. But i noticed there are few people joined me in D on pits. And i became to race D off. And of course i started to rail. Some rails are really hard-in-use, but i learned them and as result i got all top10 times in DR stats for stock cars...

After i raced "D off" long time i found i can race fast enough (as it seemd to me) and clean without rails - but if D is still OFF only! Turning D on made my driving too nervous and i couldn't keep clean run :)

Preparing to PROL Championship i found i'm not fast enough vs real good D-ON racers. So i started to practice D ON racing even in D OFF pits :) First time it was very hard and nervous, but suddenly i found D ON driving at extreme speed is ... awesome and much more fun copare rails! Now i always race like if D ON. Doesn't matter is D on or off in the pit ;)

P.S. Sad only i'm not so fast as i raced D off - i mean skills, not time results :")

[[XR]SUE52]

Oh no not the railing thing again arghhhhhhhhhhh

It took me about 9 months to get the hang of that Autobahn FWD tail slap thanks to the patience of Chey. Wazza and even Alex helped me a lot on that one if I remember correctly. I suppose I do agree that railing is not very life like but it can be fun and satisfying when you get it just right.

If what we are saying now is that you really can get just as fast or faster lap times with out railing then I guess that is the way to go. (959 must be one hell of a challenge not to biff bash that

Sue :love: :Peace: :love:

[DC_Deuxme]

Well, here we go again.

If those ahead of me are going to rail, then I'm gonna rail in order to be competitive. Putting damage on is about the only way, imho, to prevent railing. And since my reactions have been having me rail simply due to reaction, I guess I'm a "railer".

Having dam on when I come into a pit, and of course letting me know that it is on, is the first clue to me that "railing" is frowned upon. If I keep railing out of reflex after that, then I will simply have to pay the price for it.

Unless you let me know that railing isn't allowed, I'll never know.

[[SK]Tammy]

Railing is another aspect of the game, it is an art in its own right.
EA could have expanded the game to include stats for races involving damage, collision, both or neither. But they didn't so I for one railed in order to keep up with the times - and I enjoy the challenge of railing properly.

With NCOPS2 (if it ever gets released! :D) the appeal will be stats for EVERY car including stock in EVERY type of race. So there will be scope to learn the tracks properly without hitting a single fence or wall.

So don't blame us railers - just make it clear in your pit if you want a rail free race and those who want to rail have a chance to leave.

After all, you can do it on other games too - NFSU springs to mind.

:love:

Tammy

Lover of railing and proud of it!

[Commander]

Anyone who deliberately rails has no doubt played the game for the sake of winning, and not to have fun. I find it pathetic. Railing is a lot like a kick to the nads/box in a fight; sure you might win, but where is the honor or sense of victory? Real racers play with physics in mind. Railers are basically cyber-pirates, who care about nothing other than having a "score" higher than their opponent. Ultimately, I think those who have to cheat at video games and make up excuses to justify their actions are sad, sad people, desperately reaching out for some form of acceptance. Like the man who cheats at a game of Solitaire, so are those who cheat at video games.

"Dishonorable vermin (*Cheats to me): If it makes thee feel triumphant, then by all means, indulge in thy moment. Whilst thou rejoice in thy ill-gotten victory, the true victors move onward, laughing at thee as thou wallowst in thy false sense of glory. Let it be known, though, that the more time ye waste patting thyself on the back for a job thou knowest be not 'well done', the farther away will be those thou hast sought to defeat... come thy senses. They shall be but a glimmer on the horizon when the night falls upon thee, and thou art left alone, with no honor, and above all, no wind at thy stern." <- something I found on paper that my Dad had in is little fold-up; probably from his Navy days (age 72, Korean War vet, armourer's mate) , and it looks standard issue typical C.F.B.S. (Canadian Forces Bull Shidt) . EDIT: I asked Dad about this, and it was something his brother Bill wrote before he went to war. He was killed in the Second world war, so my dad had this framed and it is destined for the Tecumseh Naval Museum to go along side the article about his brother being the first Calgarian killed in WWII aboard the HMCS Fraser (http://members.shaw.ca/jollytar/WW2%20Ship%20Losses/Fraser.htm). Nobody knows what Bill meant when he wrote it, except Bill, who is not around to explain. :why:

Anyway, to me, it means cheaters lose in the long run. Railing is cheating, so to me, railers are losers. I race at the track in real life, and anyone who hits the rail there has done so because they wiped out. The same goes for a game. If you need to use the rail to win, then you don't know how to control the car, and should therefore get the hulk out of the way... and OFF the blinkin' track! :mad:

[NewWheel]

Mojo: I'd love to hear everyones feelings and/or thoughts on the subject.Well, mine is "something in between" :D

The fact is that railing is NOT cheating the game, but it IS cheating the "real" driving.

Second fact is that only perfectly done railing / banging will award racer with better race time, else the result will be... well we all know what kind of ^_^

Third fact is that mastering "it" is far from being an easy task - it takes a lot of practice even AFTER getting advices and instructions from experienced drivers...

Forth fact is that some (or perhaps better: many) of racers finds more satisfaction, thus fun, by achieving top scores by whatever means the game legally provides, then by just driving like in true sim-type racing games.

Summing these facts together, i believe that we can't and should not condemn "railers" as cheaters or anything similar...

These were dry, dull, and perhaps sad facts for all us "others" who do not applaud to railing as a proper technique to improve our final race times. "They" had, and always will have advantage in "D off" mode, but not so in the "D on" pits...

As said before, the new NCOPS2 will have means to separate the "D off" and "D on" stats, so 'the weather for us "others" is clearing up... finally' :D :love:

Greetings to all, with hope that I didn't offend or disappoint anyone.

NW

[wello]

hmmm railing again :teeter:

It doesn't worry me that much because I can't do it :p .
the only thing I get from trying to rail is I get the watch the other racers :racer:fly past me ^_^

[DeniX]

sad fact is there are some rails are usefull even with D ON :( especially in MCs...

[Cheyenne]

Wow, what could have been a discussion amongst friends has started off and continued on to be name-calling and insults. Good going.

An interesting point about railing. I was racing with Mojo just recently, he declared a non-railing pit and then proceded to take two very fortunate rail-bounces, one on the very ramp he discusses in his opening post of this thread, and another further down the same track, potentially saving two very time-consuming crashes. He took advantage of the railing physics in the game. I doubt he did it intentionally, but it begs the question... should a non-railing purist take advantage of railing due to their own errors as a driver? It's not okay to rail intentionally, but it's okay to take advantage of "railing" accidently?

Regardless, it doesn't matter to me. I love the game and playing it with any of the variations or peculiarites of a given host is fine and a heck of a lot of fun. What does damage the fun and the good relationships that the majority of us have is, of course, the attitudes like the ones expressed in this thread. Calling your pitmates, brother and sister racers and even your own teammates "cheaters" ... all I can say is that saddens me. A polite request for a specific style of racing is all that is needed. Insults and contempt will leave you with a very short list of pitmates.

I race almost exclusively for fun and to be with some really terrific people. The "what/how" of the race doesn't really matter. C and D on or off, stock, mods, same car, any car, railing/non-railing, host's pick, player list, running down the list, hide & seek, it's all fun. The only thing which can break that are bad attitudes and unfriendly people. I think a lot of others would agree. Are those trivial details more important than friendship and respect? I'd have to say no... but then again, that's only my opinion.

[NewWheel]

I race almost exclusively for fun and to be with some really terrific people. The "what/how" of the race doesn't really matter. C and D on or off, stock, mods, same car, any car, railing/non-railing, host's pick, player list, running down the list, hide & seek, it's all fun. The only thing which can break that are bad attitudes and unfriendly people. I think a lot of others would agree. Are those trivial details more important than friendship and respect? I'd have to say no... but then again, that's only my opinion.Well said Chey! -^

I agree fully as I race exclusively for fun too but I could never put my thoughts so nicely into English. :")

On the other hand, in the pits I never experienced even a tiny trace of "rail problem", even in D off pits, so I assume that it is actually not a big deal at all, and certainly not that much that it would ruin the mood (fun) in pits or even endanger friendship among us... at least I too hope and believe it is so :)

:ghug:

[Bage]

Must say that i agree fully with Chey -^
Most of us who still race online do it for the fun of the game and the friendship with fellow racers. Let's keep it that way.

PU is built with the ability to rail on some of the tracks.
Just like racing without railing it takes a fair amount of practice
to learn how to do it.
I have great respect both for the good D=off railers and the D=on non railers.
Like in all games if u want to achive top results, it's about finding out how to push the limit a bit further
(and i'm not refering to cheating here). I agree that railing the first ramp on bahn is not very sim-like.
On the other hand using 3 gears on the Moby isn't very sim-like either or CR gearbox having the highest
top speed on the '73 Carrera. Let's face it, in very many ways PU has it's glitches, we are all used to them now and it's no big deal.
I would have prefered if a car would slow down more when railing. It doesn't, so here we are.
It is more or less the community who has decided what is cheating and what is not. The various cheat detectors
who has been made were used by all the hardcore racers in order to keep the stats clean from cheaters. As far as i can remember railing has
not been an issue here.

PU gives the possibility to race in many different ways and the community have been very open minded about adopting
various pit-rules. That is one of the things i find so great about the game.
U can race Zone, GT1 the all night chasing top times.
U do players list and go through the various tracks and cars.
U can play hide and seek
U can do stock, mods, cd on/off and more and more...

The way the online-stats was set up, made it impossible to race for the stats using cd=on. That is the main reason why railing
is being used so much in the game. If the upcoming stats has a d=on part railing will be a disadvantage on almost
all tracks when using d=on, which i think is great. I does give the game a new dimension and hopefully a new life to me and
others that have a lot to learn about how to do the MC's without railing. It will be great fun :) :) :) :)
:racer:

/bage

[[XR]SUE52]

Wow, what could have been a discussion amongst friends has started off and continued on to be name-calling and insults. Good going.

Chey as I seem to be the only one to have actually mentioned any ones names in their replies, I do hope you will forgive me for I hold you, Wazza and Alex in the utmost respect and awe you are my friends and mentors and I love you dearly :ghug:

eek I just hope Chey, when you said "name-calling" that you mean when others call railers cheaters and such. Oh the more I think of it the more I think I have read more into it than I should have, please do say you not upset with me you know I could not bear to think of hurting anyone. =[

Sue :love: :Peace: :love:

memo to Sue:- Try not to use the word "more" more than is necessary in any more posts you do!!

[Cheyenne]

Sue, you called me... :irate: "Chey" :irate: yes, you did! I'll just... just... wait a minute, that's my name? &(

^_^ Ah, no, Sue, thou wert fine ^_^

The fact that you would care about the feelings of others shows that with great clarity. Rock on! :love:

[-otkeys]

To D, or not to D is supposingly the Q here.

Well guys......... it's like this :

My family has always been in the railing-buisness. My great, great, great, great, great grandfather helped build the transamerican railway, and since then it has become sort of a familiy tradition to work the rails.

My dear aunties late husbond worked the rails from Nice, through the mountains to Monte Carlo.

So if i rail on MC tracks dear fellow racers, it's not only in order to go as fast as the game ( and the host maybe) allows me to, but it's also the continuation of a looooong family enherited tradition.

And remember all you gifted non-railers, that railworkers have to drink a lot of beer because of all the hard work they put in it.
Why the heck do you think that people like B10 works the rails so hard ?

Hoping to C U all on the tracks, D-termined and not so D-temined.

Stig [XR]KEYS

[Bage]

:rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

Stig, I didn't think of that.

Very true that part about the beer...
Takes a lot of beers to be a good railer;)
That needle on MC2 must have cost me 100's of beers :D

/bage

[Ayce]

The only time I use the rails is when I don't want to.:D
I always try to avoid them because they slow me down or spin me out, so any time I'm on the rail, it means I screwed up^_^ .
Personally, I don't think railing is a good idea. Although I have seen some guys(&girls) hit some rails and get ahead. I still don't get how that works but whatever.(ie last right hand rail on auto bwd) I've seen ppl go thru that rail and keep going. Whenever I hit it, I usually end up on my roof.:mad:

[[XR]CARS]

Originally posted by -otkeys

My family has always been in the railing-buisness. My great, great, great, great, great grandfather helped build the transamerican railway, and since then it has become sort of a familiy tradition to work the rails.


^_^ ROTFL ^_^

Well I must say that I tottaly agree with my mate Chey, I couln't have said it better... -^

[[SK]Mojo]

These replies have all been very enlightening. I assume this subject has come to the surface in the past as well. I have only been racing for almost 9 months. I'm really still just a "newbie". I've only been browsing RP since August. I just figured this is the best place to express my feelings about the way people play my favorite game(in fact my only game to date). When I quoted the terms "railers" and "wall-bangers", I really did not mean to offend anyone. And of course I hit the walls and rails sometimes too. But, I always am trying my best not to. And I'll be the first to admit that if it takes a wall slap w\ e-brake to avoid a hurrendous crash, that's what I'm gonna do(but only 2 save from crashing). I would do and have done a quick e-brake into things, in real life, to avoid crashing worse. And I only learned that trick from driving in the snow my whole life. 8)~ :idea: Maybe I should have just said damage always on and kept my opinions to myself? I'd really rather not have to always have it on though, as much stuff as I accidentally hit. I'm finding lately that driving a damaged car is kinda similar to driving stock. And driving stock helps me drive a damaged car better. :idea: 8)~ :youwin: I really hope that I did not create some unsurmountable rift here. You are all very much welcome in my pits:duel: :dancin: :boxers: :bam: :ghug: :boxer: And for the record I did not call anyone a cheater. And Chey, I'm not a hippocrite. You know damn well I didn't hit that rail on purpose, and BTW great run Chey. I didn't get a chance to say that then, cuz' you just left before we even finished the race. Friendly...????

[D_Man]

All I can say is, when people started railing Pyrennes and Normandie that was when I decided PU wasn't for me anymore and stopped playing. I came back occasionally to race with my online friends, but it was never the same for me :(

Dave

[DC_Targa]

IMO, since the game allows D to be off, therefore giving people the opportunity to exploit railing, I don't consider it cheating. I play PU for fun. I prefer D = on pits because that makes the driving experience less arcade. My tests of railing do suggest that the behind the car views are much better for railing. The effects of the collisions seem quite different to me. However, I feel these views are too arcade for me, which reduces the driving experience.

Heck, if I were to worry about times I'd have to quick drinking beer while racing... and that would indeed detract from the fun!

[[XR]CARS]

Originally posted by D_Man
All I can say is, when people started railing Pyrennes and Normandie that was when I decided PU wasn't for me anymore and stopped playing. I came back occasionally to race with my online friends, but it was never the same for me :(

Dave

Railing in Pyreness? Normandie?? where??

maybe that's why I am slow in those tracks ^_^

[[SK]FR2]

i remember about 3 yr ago when i first started racing PU i was as slow as they come( still am but diff. story) But on cote i could usaully hold my own somewhat, ppls on railing tracks would get so far ahead of me i thought they were cheating then i discovered the fine art of railing one day i saw [SK]B10 doing his art work on mc 2 , so i gave it a try , ass over heals i would flop around like a fish out of water, realized hey there is something to doing this right so i decided not for me. Then i discovered the stats part of the game and realized i must try that railing thing again , knowing full well this was not a proper way to drive, but also realizing this is but a game. i have ran some rails with damage on and hardly a scratch on my paint, and then there are thoose others that turn the car in to a big heap of iron, this can be the price one must pay to play with those rails, as the saying goes he who lives by the rail, may to die by the rail. What i regret was not learning the non-alley way on auv., and mc track non railing. So therfore the game lives on to learn yet more. For example i recently have been paying attintion to the repair patches on alot of track (the dark spots on the road) i believe these spots are but a connect the dot line to the track. I believe railing is just part of the game(not real driving) and i to can say the only time i hit the rail is to keep from crashing, you trying going in that fast without a rail to help ya. Remembering this is a great game and great ppl's out there come together and race, visit, tell stories, and become friends. I hope i have offended no one to each his own opinion. If i can ever be of help to anyone in the art of railing please ask and i can watch someone else flop around for a change.

FRIEND FOR LIFE

[SK]FR2

[Commander]

If I stole, I would expect to be called a thief. If I killed, I would expect to be called a killer. If I laid bricks, I would expect to be called a brick layer. No need to be subtle, I am a stubborn man who calls it as he sees it.

[[SK]Tammy]

Yeah! I rail so I am a railer, so what?

I bet you don't play Grand Theft Auto Vice City though.

Tammy

[Commander]

That's the attitude I would take also. -^

[MATT]

The statement along the lines of 'Railing is more a result of the desire to get ahead rather than have fun' is... self-defeating, I suppose. Ways of having fun are all in the eyes of the beholder. Winning is a way to have fun and have a feeling of accomplishment when successful. I personally was taught to rail by a couple early Wrecking Crew members (I specifically recall Outlaw... er, FlimFlam.. er.. Phil helping me out at first in the summer of 2000... egads.. has it really been more than 3 years already!?). At that time, seeing as they were one of the most respected honest racers out there I assumed this was an accepted practice.

But time and time again in the last 3 years, especially the latter part of those 3 years, this has come into question. How many times we have covered this topic must be uncountable by now.

Anyway, I find it challenging and even fun to rail. There are other aspects of the game that are not realistic either. Whichever way you look at it, it's just a use of the physics to gain an advantage in a way not possible in real life. The racing sim community calls these people "Aliens" for their unusual driving style that pushes the limits of the virtual physics in a way not possible if the physics engine were 100% real (an objective that has not yet been acheived). Acca posted a link some months back about a racing instructor in England commenting on the realism of such great simulations as Grand Prix Legends and the GTR2002 mod for EA's F1 2002 game. That was his assessment; the physics aren't 100% real, and the so-called "alien" drivers are the guys who push the limits of the virtual physics to the point where they find little oddities that allow them an edge in either setup, driving style or a combination thereof.

Railing can be considered an extension of that "alien" definition. But at the same time, such practices in GPL at the famed Monza circuit (And wherever else it may be possible to do so) are severely scorned by the majority of reputable online players. PU is different in the respect that some of the top drivers started such practices in this decidedly less realistic game and many top drivers practice it today without thinking twice about gaining an unfair advantage. Meanwhile, many others are more like the GPL crew and believe it is a despicable abuse of the not-so-realistic physics engine.

For me, there's nothing quite like the thrill of nailing every wall perfectly on a track like Autobahn backwards. But at the same time, I will absolutely respect a pit-host's wishes to not abuse the physics engine in such a manner. In fact, I truly enjoy collision races in which everyone is just focused on racing eachother rather than track records when it is off. I used to join a lot of the old PST pits which were collision AND damage most of the time. It adds another dimension of realism and another challenge to have to pass someone without hitting them rather than driving through them with the collision off. Unfortunately, PU's online collision physics are not polished as much as they should. You can hit someone and not know it--resulting in a catastrophic crash for the unsuspecting driver. It can happen without cars visually touching eachother on the screen too.

Anyway, the way I see it, railing is not an unethical practice in PU, but seeing as how records are not even existing from EA Racing anymore I would be more than willing to abandon that practice. Particularly in the case of a pit-host wishing everyone to not do it.

But then again, I havn't played PU in many many months and I can't seem to update it to 3.5 through EA, so I may never get to play online again. That's ok, I suppose, I do have many other games that hold my interest. But I must admit, PU probably still is the game I have played the most in my lifetime. I logged way too many hours in that game. It's incredible fun and I do miss it.

[ScaryJ]

Launching your car off the 1st rail on Autobahn, to me is nearly as bad as using the "hole" on Schwarzy.

But intentional pre-meditated railing ruins the game for me,

I really can't see how it can be satisfying or fulfilling to win that way. I personally will never race like that. I guess everyone races for different reasons........

I reckon it is cheating, and it made the online racing an unpleasant experience.

Anyone who deliberately rails has no doubt played the game for the sake of winning, and not to have fun. I find it pathetic

Like the man who cheats at a game of Solitaire, so are those who cheat at video game

I could go on and on and on, but I won't. Its such a waste of time. If you dont like to rail. Don't!


[MC]Scary

[Commander]

And for those reasons plus many more, we "don't". Good post Scary. -^

[Wazza]

Originally posted by INGCARS
Railing in Pyreness? Normandie?? where??

maybe that's why I am slow in those tracks ^_^

There's rails on all tracks. More in particular, Pyrenees bkw, has many, especially in those 959/Spyder/GT2's etc :rolleyes:

Normandie..
Well there's one or two there, but in those faster cars, they really don't make a winning margin. More of a losing margin, as you're 10 times more likely to wreck your car :p


Now just way is Cote bkw, Pyr fwd, MC1 fwd, (some of Corsica), the best tracks?? Coz they don't have the rails.
Now don't call me a hypocrit or whatever, but it's already been said by many. Why do it? Coz you have to do it to be competitive. If we all had a pact to not do it, how could you be really sure no one else was doing it in another pit getting those times a few seconds faster... Or do a purposely slow run just in front of a fast clean run, just to claim #1??
There were too many holes to fix up, to enable all racers to fairly race without rails.
The only way to fix it would've been a D-on only patch.
-^

- How about next time, we can copy and paste our points and views on railing? Every 2 months it's brought up. :D

[Baritone Black]

I railled some tonight, mainly because I failed to control my car.

[JeffR]

If you don't like railing, play NFS High Stakes instead. The walls in NFS HS are lined with special car velcro, even a slight scrape will drastictally slow down a car.

Anyway, you don't have to worry about me railing at Autobahn, as I find tail slapping (using hand brake to slap tail end of car off a rail or wall). to be a much better technique there as well as some tunnels. :D

[[SK]Mojo]

And it seems to me that some of you do not welcome my "OPINIONS" regarding these driving techniques. Again I am very sorry to have offended anyone or wasted anyones time by beating a dead horse. How am I suppose to know what you have all been discussing here over the last couple of years. I've only been using RP for 3-4 months. Give me a break!:idea: 8)~ &( :cool: Do you people realize that I am just barely more than a "newbie"(less than 9 months computer racing experience) I'll think twice before I post again. :anon:

[WCOutlaw]

Just my 2 cents, Dave is right, in order to start being competitive, railing was necessary - it's an exploit that the game includes - just like other games have physics exploits.

I more or less always ran Damage on, particularly with the Repo's and I enjoyed that infinitely more, more of a sense of achievement if you could get by... saying that, if you do it properly, you can rail with damage on and not come off too badly.

It's sad to see, but if you don't like it, don't do it - TJ and Scary said it - just run Damage on if you want to try and enforce it.

PU has/was a great fun game for me, it's been almost 4 years since I got it, and now the last few months of the game seemed to mostly just record/stats hunters - and for that, you need to rail basically to be even close to competitive (well, on MCs I know).

Now I hear of railing on Pyrenees, that's too bad, but whatever - for me it's a shelved item pretty much - it was a flawed game (as is every other one) and with that came exploitable areas, nothing is perfect, but so long as folks have fun - that's what it's all about - and PU is that for me, it's fun.

Jeff: I always considered tail-slapping as railing - that's all I ever used to do anyway, requires no skill or brain to go and handbrake the back side of the car into a wall to avoid braking - that's pretty much all I remember of my railing on the MCs.

It's only a game - just race :)

[[SK]Tammy]

Originally posted by MATT
Anyway, the way I see it, railing is not an unethical practice in PU, but seeing as how records are not even existing from EA Racing anymore I would be more than willing to abandon that practice. Particularly in the case of a pit-host wishing everyone to not do it.
Railing in PU came about for the desire to achieve around about the same times as those at the top. Not even necessarily to be number 1, but to be good enough to get similar times.

I played for hours every night for months with Alrik, B10, FR2, STUD, KEYS, Geezr, Ste281, FDA, Elvis, Bage, Misha, Hill, Syko and many many more - just pursuing times. Whoever won each race was not an issue, we all had a desire to set a good time and part of that was strategy for where to hit the different rails and walls at each track.

It was an absolute blast. Just thinking back to some of those nights of fun with all those people brings a tear to my eyes. Things will never be the same again even if NCOPS2 comes along. But what it will provide is around 10 times more options to race alongside a great bunch of people. Not even MBWR will come close to that appeal.

Long live PU!

:love:

Tammy

[Commander]

There is that one spot on one of the MC's that I always ended up tail-slapping (can't recall which MC), mainly because I kept forgetting the damn 90 degree turn was there (y'know, before the tunnel). If you did it with damage on, your whole car damage icon basically turned yellow all at the same time because of the speed you hit the wall with . ^_^ DOH!

When I think of "railing" I think more or less the long extended use of the rail to guide you around a corner, and not so much tail-slapping. The ramps on Autobahn are railing areas for sure, and I prefer to try and cut a clean angle through them instead.

[Baritone Black]

For me, that section is clean or crash.

[Commander]

I usually stuff it up too, because I realize it is there only at the last minute, and with damage on, your car becomes a heap of scrap metal after the wall impact.

[JLK]

My favorite trick is blowing the horn & plowing straight into the wall. (horn & e-brake are next to each other on my stick)^_^

:beer:
Jim

[[SK]Tammy]

Hehe! Yes I remember doing that.

You are on a perfect lap on MC4 or something and you come up to the main rail, line yourself up and hit the horn! ^_^

Absolutely priceless.

:love:

Tammy

[swifty..]

My two cents about railing...

Its just another way to play the game... Cheys comments are right on.... I enjoy racing with fun people any way they want. I hate stock cars...but I can have fun with them.

I am tired of hearing about "purists" whining about stock cars /damage on being the only way to play this game. HA HA..what a laugh, if you are such purists why dont you guys drive with collision on too?????

Why....thats because you like to play the game a certain way.

Hey thats SUPER but doesnt make everyone else wrong!

I suspect some racers just dont like loosing hehe.....
Dont know how to tune their cars......
Would rather whine about something than watch the line of someone faster than them...

swifty..

[Commander]

Personally, I would rather lose honorably than win by railing. Call me a purest then, because that is what I am. Just like I would rather have the tar kicked out of me than defeat an opponent by booting him in the beans.

[[SK]FR2]

when mojo(dave) started this post not sure he knew that this had been discussed into the ground. PU is my favorite game in the world i would not race so much if i did not like it, but for anyone to say railing is good or bad, is not what the game is about it about racing with friends good friends at that. I rail alot of the time how do i rail by tail slapping, hbraking and hoping for a good result. I see no difference if by accident or on purpose still railing when one's ass hit the rail or wall. I see no point in the wrongs or rights in it. I f the game had been made so when u hit a rail u crashed automatic then of cource no one would rail (on purpose anyway) but it is not. And that is the way it is we did not make the game we just play it and i hope we all have great time doing it. But when u enter a pit just be nice and respect the host wishes when it comes down to it , life is a thing of joy and respect and thoose ppl that choose to race this game or play any game please enjoy it and respect thoose ppl u play with.

FRIENDS FOR LIFE

[SK]FR2

ps. GOD bless u all he my #1 man in my little life

[Commander]

Sounds reasonable. I will take that block of good speach and leave this thread, but my honor will remain my guideline in the future.

[Agent 69]

I guess it's my turn to beat this dead horse ^_^ . The only time I rail is when I screw up :D. I try my best to race without hitting the rails. When ever I see someone railing or bouncing I always think to my self "damn railers or damn bouncers" :D. It doesn't make me mad, it makes me want to beat them. Railing and bouncing is part of the game since it is allowed. I know I will never have a "good time" at the Autobahn or MC tracks since I don't rail or bounce...but if I want to get a good time I know how :D. I get a lot of joy beating someone who rails at the Autobahn...so all you railers and bouncers I have you in my sights :D

See you in the pits.

Shawn
Agent 69

[[SK]Mojo]

See you in the pits my brother!:HB:

[DC_Geezr]

Wow,4 pages long,and I missed this thread.:look: ^_^ Dave,np about "Beating a Dead Horse".I know U haven't been coming here as long as most of us.My .02 on the subject is I (try to) rail on Bahn,and a couple of the MC tracks,and that's about it.I rail,even when D is on,as some damage doesn't really impact the performance of the car much anyways.If I join your pit,and U don't want railing,just say so,and I won't rail,just as if U want to run a stock car,I will be happy to use stock also,even tho,I'm a Mod Maven and proud of it.I don't consider railing to be cheating at all,as the game allows for it without any file fiddling,and ethically,railing is,by and large,accepted by a majority of the PU community,so,those of U who consider railing to be cheating are,IMHO,out of line,and have done the right thing by no longer playing PU.I will continue to play,and enjoy the great pits i've found on NCOPS.-^ See U out there!

Ric:beer:

[[SK]Mojo]

Everyone is more than welcome to come and race in my pits. And all driving styles will be warmly welcomed. Please assume that damage is on in Mojos Dojo. I do my best to inform people when they enter the pit. So, if you didn't hear anything about C and D settings, please ask me. :ghug: :youwin:

[Marce22]

I'm sure you all know my opinion about Raildriving and Bouncing against walls. :nono:
Both things annoys me. Just for a few minutes of course (...about 120 minutes) :?

I think I mentioned it before. I'm right?

[ElvisTCB]

It's amazing this thread has gone on for so long. The thing is, that those that can't complain about those that can and who take that chance and try it.

Ask anyone that can rail, and bump off walls or buildings and you will find that it's an art in itself. It takes months and countless hours of practice every time you race to get it right. Now that you got it right with one car, you now have 83 more to learn it with for they all react differently. Plus this means learning it with 84 cars at least on half the tracks and at many places on just one track, along with a combo of both in one track. Also you have to learn it going both way on each track.

Seems to me that those that try but find that it not as easy as they thought, shortly give up trying to learn. Some let it go and work at getting better with out railing or bumping. Others just whine.=((

To those of you (I'm not just meaning you on this WC) that think that because you don't rail or use the bump are purists and would rather win honorabley?

What's so horonable about racing with collision off but damage on and winning a race by driving through another car to get ahead of them. I guess that takes a lot of skill. :rolleyes:

I have found that those that say no to railing wont race if collision is put on. Worried about losing because you can't go through other car to win or afraid that another racer will hit you all you will come in last or a low placing?^_^

The damage in the game is not so real (like going 100mph+ head on into a wall, reset, and drive off again). The collision is not all that real in the game also. But it takes more skill to drive with C & D on, and avoid other drivers and have to watch their moves and know the tracks know when you can pass by safely.

It's about having fun. If it's C on, D on, CD on, stock with C on, D on or C & D on. I love and race in all these games. Whatever the host's names their pit, I have the choice to enter or not. Whatever the host what's, that's what I'll do. And I'll "finish" the race (no DNF here unless ther's a connection problem or I'm so far behind and all have finished, I'll DNF so as not to hold the pit up) even if I will come in last.

Sorry Dave. I see that you kinda wish that you never brought the subject up. Since it went on for so long, I thought I'd throw my two cents worth in. I stretched my 2 cents along way as you can tell:D

[[SK]Tammy]

Originally posted by ElvisTCB
It's amazing this thread has gone on for so long. The thing is, that those that can't complain about those that can and who take that chance and try it.
Great post Elvis.

I think it is a good thing that this debate comes up every so often. Talking about these things is good - thats what forums are all about.

Originally posted by ElvisTCB
Ask anyone that can rail, and bump off walls or buildings and you will find that it's an art in itself. It takes months and countless hours of practice every time you race to get it right. Now that you got it right with one car, you now have 83 more to learn it with for they all react differently. Plus this means learning it with 84 cars at least on half the tracks and at many places on just one track, along with a combo of both in one track. Also you have to learn it going both way on each track.

Seems to me that those that try but find that it not as easy as they thought, shortly give up trying to learn. Some let it go and work at getting better with out railing or bumping. Others just whine.=((

To those of you (I'm not just meaning you on this WC) that think that because you don't rail or use the bump are purists and would rather win honorabley?

What's so horonable about racing with collision off but damage on and winning a race by driving through another car to get ahead of them. I guess that takes a lot of skill. :rolleyes:

Hehe, nice one! This is so true. PU was so restricted by EA when they could have made it into one of the best games of all time. Once the initial appeal of it wore off, and people started railing to get good times, the honourable people all declared boredom and left. (much like what happened after a few goes on NFSU! :D)

There is so much more to PU that most racers have not even given a chance. An expansion pack or the ability to edit the game would have been nice for that section of the community, but ultimately the ability to change from CD off to CD on or C on D off etc gives the opportunity to see each track and car combo in a completely different light. How many arcade/sim games can promote that?

I joined [SK]hi-C's pit the other night/morning and had a blast with him, PWR, Scary, Ltrt and JimmyD (and someone else that I can't remember! &( ). Although I miss the stats I was still able to race with great friends on different tracks with different cars and have a great time. The question of railing or whether CD was on or not did not matter.

Long live PU!

:love:

Tammy

[wello]

&( I can't belive how much emotion this thread has generated I guess if it has done any thing it has shown(spelling and beer in take ) how much we all still love our PU-^

I can't rail but I can crash really good :p to the guys and gals that can rail good onya :cool: -^

the main thing is we all love :love: to play this game and when a thread like this has generated so much interest we know its far from dead take note mr EA :p ^_^

[NewWheel]

wello: the main thing is we all love :love: to play this game and when a thread like this has generated so much interest we know its far from dead take note mr EA :p ^_^Amen! You nailed it wello -^ :HB:

Here are a number of great posts, some may be a bit 'radical' in both directions, but that only shows up that we all can (and do) 'see' and enjoy this game in our own slightly different ways. There is nothing wrong or bad within other's views as long the legal in-game build features and characteristics are used, but NOT the unintentional bugs (such as track holes) of course... ;)

:ghug:

[Marce22]

Originally posted by wello
the main thing is we all love :love: to play this game and when a thread like this has generated so much interest we know its far from dead take note mr EA :p ^_^

Amen! from me too !!!

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