I am tired of seeing classic american cars being crashed in movies just because "they can afford it".
A local tv station showed the movie "The 6th Day" (not a good movie, but I can watch it while playing a game or something) and what do I see in one of the early scenes? A car that looks like a perfect 1956 Cadillac being molested!
Now when thinking about it, I can name a few other movies where they do something similar:
GI60: Although not real Shelby Mustangs, they where still real Mustangs, and most of them where wrecked doing the filming or after the film. 6 of the 7 made for the movie where destroyed if I remember correct (not sure though).
Demolition Man (another awfull movie): A classic 1970 Oldsmobile 442 get wrecked.
Bad Boys: An AC Cobra gets slammed into a wall (although it might have been a replica, not sure here)
The last boy scout: A 1971 Buick Riviera get its trunk filled with explosives and blown to pieces!
The FastīnīThe Fourious(spelled wrong): A 196x Charger are driving over a ramp making a flip in the air, then crashing.
Rising Sun(?): A blue 1965-67 blue Cadillac is being crushed by a railcar?(those busses that run on rails in San Francisco )
Now why donīt they molest a 1958 Ferrari Testarossa :D or a Bugatti )=)
Commander
11-09-2003, 02:39 PM
Just think about how many 1969 Chargers were ruined in The Dukes Of Hazzard, heh.
Anyway, to be quite honest with you, most of the cars that get demolished in movies are bogus stunt cars anyway. Usually they are without an engine, and were basically junkers to begin with. A quick bondo job and some paint was thrown on them just to look nice for the stunt. Often, the real cars you see driving around are owned by private collectors and are actually rented out to the movie makers. The real cars almost never get ruined. Same applies to WWII planes etc that appear in films.
Justin Martin
11-09-2003, 05:11 PM
With the exception of the Cobra, all of those cars are very common. You'll find them rusting away in wrecking yards everywhere. Like Teej said, all it takes is a quick bondo and paint job to get them ready to wreck in a movie. As for the Cobra, i'd nearly be willing to bet it is a replica, I don't think even Hollywood wouldn't wreck such a car. Too expensive for one, if you could even find someone who'd sell you a Cobra to wreck.
I just rented the Italian Job, (original, not the new one) and in the commentary they said all of the expensive cars they wrecked were already wrecked. The Muira the Mafia pushed over the cliff was a total write off, it didn't even have an engine in it. The DB4 that Michael Cain drove (and also was pushed off the cliff) cost 800 pounds and was a quick bondo and paint job. It and one of the E-types were later restored....
The only new cars that were wrecked were the cheap, common ones like the Minis and the Alfa Romeo police cars.
Blitz
11-09-2003, 06:22 PM
Yeah, I think that's the case as well. They're probably all replicas. Except, possibly all those Furies that got wrecked in Christine. But, I heard that after Christine aired, it pretty much saved the Plymouth Fury from extinction. :)
chris
11-09-2003, 08:41 PM
Yes indeed, Justin is right about "La Bomba Italia"...
I knew a few people who looked on in shocked horror as Rossano Brazzi, supposed driver of the Miura hurtled into the tunnel, and then we hear savage braking and see (and hear) a shocking explosion.
That's all Hollywood will ever use mostly for cars that need to be wrecked in a movie, they just gloss over cars already buggered.
In the 1971 movie Le Mans, starring Steve McQueen, and a number of others (Derek Bell - yes that Derek Bell - even made a cameo appearance), they show McQueen having a shocking accident in what appears to be a 917 Kurzheck. He is focusing on a huge fireball he can see elsewhere on the track, and not on lapping the far slower moving 911 ahead, and then swerves to avoid the 911, but loses control and has a huge accident.
The crash car was apparently a Lola T70 that had been made to look like a 917 - Not even Hollywood could afford to crash a real 917 on purpose.
The other big car crash in that movie, involving a Ferrari 512S Coda Lunga, I believe was actually from video footage of a real accident, or something like that, though I can't be certain.
But the 917's in that movie seen in the driving scenes were entirely real. Vic Elford did most of the high speed driving scenes I believe. The camera cars were Ford GT40's from what I've heard.
McQueen himself actually raced a 917 I think once, and won!
But the movie does have a few apparent errors that have been overlooked. In one scene near the end of the movie, we see McQueen driving the 917, from the in car view, and chasing down the car ahead, and the sound is supposed to be of a 917, but if you know your cars, it's really a GT40's V8 engine instead making the sound, rather than the jet like scream of a 917's flat-12.
But to give it credit, it was probably one of the few motorsport related movies that was done really well - the cars were the stars.
Vince Klortho
11-09-2003, 11:05 PM
Minor detail but, from what I have read, it was a Porsche 908 that used for the camera.
There are a lot of stories about the making of the film Le Mans actually. Some very interesting ones too !
FeZ
11-09-2003, 11:51 PM
How about the bombed BMW 7Series in "The Transporter". I could understand if it would be the ugly new one, but it was a nice old one. This gets the Transporter very angry so he destroys most of the bad guys Merc S-Classes.
And in "Miami Vice" when they blew up the Ferrari 365 GTB4 Spyder with a bazooka. It was a replica but still looked damn nice. I heard somewhere that Ferrari itself wanted to get the Replica out of the series and so the Daytona Replica had to die to be replaced with an original Testarossa. Maybe just an urban legend but hey I was young in the mid-eighties.
Volt !
11-10-2003, 10:59 AM
Actually i dont mind cars getting wrecked.If there is an amazing scene and they wreck a car for it....i would say-^
For eg. Like the 20 mins car chase in Ronin , the one where Robert D'niro is chasing that girl.Now that was a gr8 car chase sequence.And the wreck was totally worth it.
But hen on the Other Hand u have movies like MI-2
The dumass Director just wreecked A porsche 911 and a Ferrari Spyder on a dumb scene...and made them go over the cliff.For Pete's Sake stop this torture.I had an heart ache for the next three dayz after i saw the movie.At nites i was thinking about wat would i have done if they woulda gifted me these cars,instead of molesting them in such a way.
Any other movies where they have just wasted the cars?
Justin Martin
11-10-2003, 12:53 PM
Chris, Steve McQueen bought a Porsche 908 to race with a camera in the 1970 Le Mans. As a warmup for Le Mans, McQueen teamed with Paul Revson to race the 908 in the 1970 Sebring 12 hours, and they came in first in class, second overall. First overall was Jackie Icyx and Mario Andretti in a 512, who McQueen and Revson likely could have beaten had it not been for some bad luck. In the end, he didn't race at Le Mans because the studio execs prohibted it. :( But the 908 camera car was entered with a different set of drivers, and I think some of the footage in the movie is from that car.
There were also some GT40 camera cars used for the made-up sequences filmed after the race. Also, like the 917, the 512 that was crashed was a rebodied Lola. Ferrari wouldn't give McQueen anything once they found out that the Porsche 917 would win the race in the movie. ^_^
Ayce
11-10-2003, 02:19 PM
How about Unwrecked movie cars. I remember a scene in "The Car" where they flipped the car over two cop cars and it came out o.k.( Sure, I know the linc. was demolished after the flip, but the scene was very shocking.) Saw it on the tube a while ago and they cut that scene out. Just showed it starting the flip, then cut to car taking off. Nice work on The Car from George Barris tho IMHO:HB:
Y2kGoofball
11-10-2003, 02:29 PM
Now why donīt they molest a 1958 Ferrari Testarossa
If you've seen the movie you'll know what happens, if not you'll work out what happens, the main point being what car they destroy^_^
Enjoy
Y2k
Commander
11-10-2003, 04:03 PM
There are also shows where a vehicle must get wrecked during a stunt, but it is meant to appear as though it survived unscathed. Knight Rider is a good example, where KITT just won't break, and The A-Team too, because that van never gets smashed up, heheh.
If you've seen the movie you'll know what happens, if not you'll work out what happens, the main point being what car they destroy^_^
Ferris Bueller's Day Off, right? If so, that wasn't a real 250 GT, it was a rebodied MG. At several million a piece, (probably even more back then) even Hollywood wouldn't wreck such a car. It would cost a fraction of that to buy a replica or pay someone to build a replica, so not even Jerry Bruckheimer could convince a studio exec to fork out the kind of cash needed to wreck a real one.
VQ
11-11-2003, 02:31 AM
I know, I mean in Mad max, they destroy so many cars and another one Ithat I have (can't remeber the name of it) they smash up a real Auscar and a R/t Charger wich i reckon is a shame, wat about in the original GOne in 60 seconds? THey smash up that GT500 a fair bit, same as in the new one but they uput it back together in that movie.
It is a shame tho, but I read that in Dukes, they used older models and painted them up and put on 69 lights and stuff.
FeZ
11-11-2003, 02:39 AM
What about the "AZZKCKR" Corvette Stingray in "Con Air" :D
And didnt they destroy (or badly bend) a Ferrari 355 in "The Rock" ?
Oh and don't forget the latest Bond Movies where they badly trashed the BMW 7Series, and in another one saw a Z8 (or a Z3 ?) in half :)
What happened to the Aston Martin in the latest Bond, did it survive ? Oh Talking about the latest Bond, in the start they "shoot" a Lambo, a 911, a GT40 and a Ferrari I think. And in the end they plant another Lambo and a Ferrari into a ricefield :)
Y2kGoofball
11-11-2003, 04:15 AM
it was a rebodied MG. thats what made it so limited ay, the fact its one of a kind (well I spose people coulda done the same to MG's if they wanted)
Thanks for the info but, I seriously didnt know that:eek:
grayp
11-11-2003, 05:02 AM
Can't believe nobody has mentioned the 5 Black Porsches they wrecked in Condorman.. ^_^
I thought it was a waste back then when I was all of 7 years old.. :eek:
Also, check out http://www.p0rsches.com/movies/
Smokey!
11-11-2003, 06:32 AM
wat about in the original GOne in 60 seconds? THey smash up that GT500 a fair bit, same as in the new one but they uput it back together in that movie
Erhm the original GI60 had a 1973 Mustang Mach 1, and it wasnt a rare or classic yet when the movie was made in 1974.
Ohh and I think in the original they only used one (1) car :D
Sepecat
11-11-2003, 10:04 AM
Speaking of the Transporter, On the Commentary, It was said that Bmw was one of a kind v12 . So it cant be that BMW they blew up????
That Benz shouldnt have been used by Frank; instead he should have unwrapped the nicer Benz in the same garage .
And most the scenes in the highway with the Lorry, had the Benzs following it .
George`
[XR]meTh
11-11-2003, 03:35 PM
All I know is that the first time I saw "Dirty Mary, Crazy Larry" (Oscar performances all around!^_^ :rotf: :no: ), I fell in love with the Dodge 1969 Charger, and still consider it as the second favorite, only to a 1970 Challenger(for practical reasons, the Charger is toooooo big for someone living in San Francisco, but the Challenger, while still on the big side for here, would be do-able).
At like 9yrs old or so, I almost had a heart attack when at the end of that movie they slam into a train and destroy it. I was like in shock staring at the T.V. for a few minutes, thinking "Wow, that is one less Charger that will be available, forevver, for me to possibly own".
At least in "Vanishing Point" the white car that they run into the tractors at the end is obviously a Chevy Nova, but in DM,CL there is no doubt it is a '69 Charger at all. In Dukes they had five cars that they used in rotation and repaired as the were used for the various stunts, I even saw one of the actual one for auction on eBay once, and it described the highly modifies interior and chassis and stated it was NOT street legal nor could be made to be so very easy, more of a collector item for show, not to be driven on public roads.
I am still suffering from MCO withdrawals, at least I could virtually go out and race around in one of the 5 Chargers I had in that game, ad well as all the other favorites I wish I had in real life.=((
Nappe1
11-11-2003, 05:09 PM
Original Italian Job:
Smashed real cars:
- Aston Martin DB5 Cabrio
- 2 x Jaguar E-Type Cabrio
- 3 x Mk II Austin Mini Seven (2 had removed internals and a bit better body to handle those bumps better while going down. (you can easily see it on the film... there's no way original Mini bodywork handle those forces.) 3rd one was exploded)
- 1x Alfa Romeo GTA
Smashed replicas:
- Lamborghini Miura P400
VQ
11-12-2003, 01:44 AM
ALright, I dont know Fords so I don't know wat model it is/was ok?
Smokey!
11-12-2003, 06:23 AM
ALright, I dont know Fords so I don't know wat model it is/was ok?
Just fine ;)
At least in "Vanishing Point" the white car that they run into the tractors at the end is obviously a Chevy Nova,
Obvious? If I look REAL carefully at those rearfenders sticking up in the air on the wreak id say its definately a 70 Challenger?
Maybe they crashed a Nova and then made it look like a Challenger? Canīt find the movie so I canīt check it. I wonder where i have hidden it :rolleyes:
p5.
11-12-2003, 07:05 AM
Originally posted by Smokey!
Obvious? If I look REAL carefully at those rearfenders sticking up in the air on the wreak id say its definately a 70 Challenger?
Maybe they crashed a Nova and then made it look like a Challenger? Canīt find the movie so I canīt check it. I wonder where i have hidden it :rolleyes:
You can't find it because it's in my vcr! :D
Here are some screenshots: last frame of front view; last frame pre fireball, and the fender of the wreck. Dunno, looks like a Challenger to me...
Paul
I thought no one else in the world had seen Vanishing Point! Gotta love this community.
p5.
11-12-2003, 07:06 AM
Last frame pre-explosion...
p5.
11-12-2003, 07:13 AM
The contested fender, rotated upright...
[XR]Pale
11-12-2003, 07:41 AM
Definately a challenger from the front. That rear quarter is almost Camaro-like.
Frank N. O.
11-12-2003, 08:00 AM
Hi, as far as I remember from www.imdb.com then the car that was crashed was a '67 Camaro straight and simply (pulled by one of the Challengers btw). The last front shot can very well be the Challenger, but who says it crashed? The car doesn't drive straight towards the camera/showel (earth-mover) so it could easily just drive next to it while still giving the illusion that it's hitting head-on while in real life there was a driver just driving past the machine on his/her left while the one on the right in the crash-scene was not there for that shot but that can't be seen due to the camera-angle.
Edit: It also says that the cars were not Hemis but 440s and one smaller one with automatic transmission and the proporty master has told that all cars were repainted white for the movie.
Frank
Frank N. O.
11-12-2003, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by Vqcapricedude
I know, I mean in Mad max, they destroy so many cars and another one Ithat I have (can't remeber the name of it) they smash up a real Auscar and a R/t Charger wich i reckon is a shame, wat about in the original GOne in 60 seconds? THey smash up that GT500 a fair bit, same as in the new one but they uput it back together in that movie.
It is a shame tho, but I read that in Dukes, they used older models and painted them up and put on 69 lights and stuff.
In case this hasn't been answered:
In the original "Toby" Halicki "Gone In 60 Seconds" then Eleanor was a '73 Mustang Mach-1 in stock form, and then it was brand new and hardly that expensive or exotic (and if you'll pardon my own oppinion then it's the worst Mustang generation ever so I'm not missing it). In the remake from 2000 which is a favourite of mine then Eleanor is supposedly a '67 Shelby Cobra G.T.500 but was in real life several 67+68 Ford Mustang fastbacks with costum bodykits. There were only two real G.T.500's in the movie: One was temp. equipped with sidepipes for the sounds (allthough note that the starter was a high-torque Chrysler starter for reasons unknown to me. I can supply a link to a real G.T.500 starter and engine mp3 if anyone wishes, otherwise if you have Ryan T's Racer G.T.500 then there it is, since I supplied the starter sound for him from the mp3 that I found, and the engine sound was costum-sampled from GI60S by Ryan himself). The other G.T.500 is actually the junker that Kip legally gives to Memphis at the end of the movie and actually it wasn't a junker at all but they unbolted everything possible from the car they had borrowed and put junker panels on it but they had to replace all body panels afterwards. I wonder why on earth they just couldn't reamake another 67-68 Mustang fastback?
Edit: Check out this great GI60S fan page with more info also on both cars: http://tcotrel.tripod.com/gonein60.html
Frank
Radical-Al
11-12-2003, 08:54 AM
Frank, It wasn't in stock from... It had a beefed up suspension (to handle that 20ft jump) and a supercharged engine that Toby himself did (I think) but it wasn't a fully stock mustang...
Oh and that thing with the street pole when he hit it, I heard (from watching the bonus features of the DVD, yeah I actually watch them) that it was an accident, he miscalculated the turn off and that he cut car off (but it made for a good stunt imho)
Smokey!
11-12-2003, 09:25 AM
Hmm from those screenshots from Vanishing Point, I can now see its a 67 Camaro thats being crashed he he. You can see it by comparing the wheelwell openings on the rearfender. On a Camaro the wheelopening goes up past the "splitting" line. On a challenger it dosnt:
And Frank im pretty sure your right. They didnt crash the Challenger, because I think I remember, that the car that WAS crashed was pulled from a mile away with a cable that went through the small gap between the two tractors. So they did "drive" it right into those shovels, but there was no driver in the car when it happened.
Radical-Al
11-12-2003, 10:50 AM
Dude, I can't believe you people forgot that they messed up a lamborghini countach (fake most likely) in that Jackie Chan movie with the hover craft and those other Countachs in Mr. Niceguy with that Off highway Dump truck (and the house too ;) ):D I love that scene!
Smokey!
11-12-2003, 02:49 PM
he he there must be at least 50 Jackie Chan movies :D . What about the scene in Who Am I, where he is chased by 6 black Ladas! Hilarous ^_^