Round 11: Gold Coast Indy 300

[Mickcals]

Predictions For Indy
Well Indy is only a 1 1/2 weeks away so lets have some suggestions on whose going to win.
pic of Map:
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Heres some info to help you decide:

Current Qualifying Record: Greg Murphy- Holden- 1.50.7030-2002

Current Lap Record:Marcos Ambrose- Ford - 1.51.6490- 2002

Past Results

Driver on Pole
1999 - Ellery- Ford
2000 - Ingall - Holden
2001 - Tander- Holden
2002 - Murphy- Holden

Round Winner
1999 - Radisich - Ford
2000 - Radisich - Ford
2001 - Tander- Holden
2002 - Bargwanna- Holden
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My Predictions

Ford:

Ambrose: Now that he is on his own again he should retain his winning form
Radisich: has had a consisent season so far so a round win would complete his season
Lowndes: Came equal first last year and will be hoping to mirror last years performance

Holden:

Skaife: After an impressive Bathurst he ll be strong and looking for revenge
Murphy: Almost won last year but wrong tyre chose cost him the race
R.Kelly: will be coming off a high after first race win

Underdogs:

Ford - Ellery, Bowe and Seton
Holden - Todd Kelly, Tander and Steven Richards

[murph_fan]

I think Murph will do well here. Like Mickcals said, he got pole, won the first race but the wrong tires cost him the 2nd race :(
i think Skaife will do well as hes pretty good at Street racing (look at Adelaide and Canberra), and the Rat has won here quite abit so he should go pretty good.

i think Tander could be an underdog/dark horse (what ever you call it) and Ellery and possibly Besnard.

how many races are there this year?

[VQ]

My bets on Murphy or some1 from Holden at least, cos they ahve the engnie sorted now.

[murf]

i reckon murfs gonna win and skaife 2nd

[Mickcals]

theres two races one on Saturday and the other on Sunday.

[AccadaccA]

Well folks, just to let you know, it's been raining a lot up here.... basically the whole month of October has been wet. Just incase anyone else considered that factor in their equasion.

Mickcals has basically picked the obvious top ten drivers of each team, it would be good if he could refine his choices a little. :hat:-^

I'm putting a smaller handful of possibilities in order:
Todd Kelly: He had too much fun in the wet at Sandown to not enjoy himself here.
Marcus Ambrose: As Mickcals pointed out, he's on his own again and should recover from Bingall's setbacks.
Mark Skaife: He likes the road circuits as previously pointed out by murph_fan and the #1 HRT is also in top form.

Depending on it being a straight forward, clean, race (yeah right :rolleyes: ) otherwise the following list would move up a notch or two towards the podium.

Greg Murphy: Showing more legs with the top speed / open straights but not too shabby on tight tracks either. Up there but I don't think he'll quite see the podium this round. =[ Not unless one of the top three run into bad luck (either mechanically or stewards ruling).
Craig Lowndes: Finally back into contention since switching to the other brand. He must be wearing his old Holden boxers. :D Should be up there fairly consistantly from now on.
Jason Bright: Another who performs extremely well in the wet. I think it's his turn to prove a few skeptics wrong. He doesn't mind the enclosed street circuits either.
Muscle Bingall: (Russel Ingall, obviously renamed after his driving form) might push his way through where more curtious, sencible, drivers wouldn't.


Wishing Glen Seton and Brad Jones success, leaning a little towards Brad after his shocking misfortunes on the mountain.
It crossed my mind that the DJR cars should remain facing the correct way due to the walls acting like slot-cars but then I realised most of their spin-arounds are done on track, not off, so it makes no difference. :D
I don't know what's been getting that "Super Cheap" Falcon up there of late but I don't think Steve Ellery is good enough without the "lucky streak" continuing. Hmmm, tight, enclosed, track. They had better order a dozen nose cones for him alone.

I supposed I didn't really narrow things down any better than Mickcals after all. :") Oh well, at least I did place the whole field in what I think will be the finishing order.

[Bo0]

I think that anyone who had good form in Sandown and Bathurst would have a good chance here.
As Mickals said, with Ambrose now back on his own, he can get back clocking some good trimes down.
Murphy and R. Kelly should do well given that they are both coming off a high after Bathurst.
Skaife will be consistent providing things go his way, the same for Lowndes.

The Underdogs:
Jason Bright's stregnth is these type of races so he should be a contender as well, the same with Steven Richards.
Tander and Radisich should also do well in this coming race.

[Y2kGoofball]

VQ, Murphy hasnt sorted the engine, his still using the old 18-degree Chev in the VY. He'd be one of the old VY's still using the old chev, but as it prooved at the Mount it still has what it takes, but at tracks like QLD under pressure it overheats quickly

So with this in mind I dunno if Murph can do it, especially if someone like Ambrose puts the blowtorch onto Murph and he has to push the old engine at 100%, like Skaife at QLD.

Then again I sure as hell hopes he can follow through on the magic and close the mere around 90 point gap between him and Ambrose (too stuffed to look it up)

Y2k

[Mickcals]

Acca i dont pick just pick the top ten from each side is consider how they are doin so far this year and the results from past rounds.

[AccadaccA]

I didn't mean any malice by it, just saying your selections include half the bloody field. ^_^

I know that you do consider form as you have shown that many times in your posts but can you try to narrow it down a little and put them in your predicted winning order?

1st/ I predict the car with the black tyres is gonna win. :auswink:
2nd/ The one with the laminated windscreen will come second. 8)~
3rd/ It's bigger than a breadbox. :D


:Peace:

[Mickcals]

ohh i see well then based on my predictions my top five:

1. Lowndes - this isnt a baised Fords fans fantasy pick, but i think after success last year with equal first he ll do it again (hopefully own his own
2. Todd Kelly - after previous years Skaifes lacked competivness after Bathurst so i think Kelly will step up
3. R.Kelly - I think he ll step up and prove he can make podium appearances on his own
4. Ellery - he ll come close but no podium
5. Ingall - hes very agressive on street circuits, at Adeliade highest finishing Ford and at AGP dominated

Thats what i think its a mixed field. 5th position i think will go to either Ingall or Skaife as in my nind they're form this year has been up and down

[AccadaccA]

Thanks mate. :cheers:
Whoa, totally different to mine. It isn't easy being unbiast (deciding the predicted list with your head instead of your heart) is it?.
If anyone else wants to give it a crack I'll copy your selection into this post too so we can easily find all predictions in the same post.


Acca's Round 11 (V8Supercars @) Indy prediction:
1/ Todd Kelly
2/ Marcus Ambrose
3/ Mark Skaife

4/ Greg Murphy
5/ Craig Lowndes

Mickcals Round 11 (V8Supercars @) Indy prediction:
1/ Craig Lowndes
2/ Todd Kelly
3/ Rick Kelly

4/ Steve Ellery
5/ Russell Ingall

We've only got two of the same guys selected for the top five, Todd Kelly & Craig Lowndes and both of us are putting Todd on the podium.

Rain is predicted for the Indy by the weather forecast on lastnight's news although today is a scorcher. The first fine day for the whole of October. :why: Go figure

[Mickcals]

Gees are views are different.

I like this idea with the whole predict the top 5.

i think next year we should set up a points competion based on who got the closest or best prediction.

[Mickcals]

Some Pointless news that i thoguht i might share:

FPR has changed Besnards car number from number #19 to number #7, so FPR car numbers are now #5, #6 and #7 (#7 used to be Rodney Forbes)

[AccadaccA]

There you go reading my mind again. I thought of a "tippings" points system too. :hat:-^

We could have something like this:

1 point for each time you get a driver in the top 5 (any position)
3 points for each correct non-podium placing (4th & 5th placers)
5 points for each correct podium position (1st, 2nd, or 3rd placers)

To even go further we could also have BONUS points for:
10 points extra for picking all three podium placers (any order)
15 points extra for picking all top five placers (any order)
20 points extra for picking all three podium positions correctly.
30 points extra for picking all top five placers correctly.

The amount of points for everything could be tweaked to give more or less (we'll decide before the start of next season) but what do you think of that so far?

It'll be good to be able to offer a prize for the most points for the season. It'll be too much piss-farting around to charge money then winer takes all. I guess we have to leave it as just a fun thing.

[VQ]

When I can get my top frame sorted out for the redesigned v8shakes, I guess I'll put on a tipping competition for next year, cos I won't get it sorted ebfore the next couple of rounds, when it done, look out for some big changes I think.

[Mickcals]

Hey Acca i agree with your points system i think that they are perfect as you have heaps of opportunties to score some points.

I dont think prizes are needed - i think the satisfaction of being able to say that you know your V8 Supercars and boasting that your the best at it is enough for a reward ^_^

And VQ i cant see why we cant put the points table on V8 Shakes website

[AccadaccA]

I have no probs with having it set-out on v8Shakes either.

Don't bother making any pages for it, I have already made a very informative website for it but I am running on 28.8KBs at the moment (for the rest of the month =[) so it'll take forever to upload.

I'll try to give you a look at it tonight. I think it has all we need.... almost. I came here to ask Mickcals if he would like to help as he is on the ball with the Rounds as soon as the current one has passed.
I've been working on putting a script together that'll allow us all to do our predictions there (on the tippings site). Click on the driver's name to add him to your predicted (top 5) list, etc.
It also has the full v8Supercars results from the start of the 2003 season, we all have our own tippings page each which will keep record of our success/failures, there is a tippings points table for each round as well as the tippings championship ladder. Just need the tracks info (stats & images) to complete it.

BTW, it also has small logo banners & text links to all of the racing team sites but I'm still working on those and might change them.

[VQ]

So is it gonna be uploaded to V8 Shakes or wat exactly? I'm confused about it now.

[VQ]

I'm making it a sticky till the race is over to make it easy.

[murph_fan]

excellent work Accadacca. Sounds interesting, can't wait to see it.

[AccadaccA]

Vq : Sorry to confuse you matey. I thought you wanted it on V8Shakes. I don't have the FTP details to upload to Shakes.... well I don't think I do anyway, you might have changed it by now even if I still did.

I only uploaded it to Total NFS to show you guys what I've done and see if you like it or not.

murph_fan : Thanks mate, perhaps I made it sound too good. :help: I hope it doesn't disappoint.
Like I said, it's not quite finished but I should have it knocked on the head by sunlight tomorrow.

Here's the link (http://www.totalnfs.net/comps/tippings/index.html)

Gawd, 28.8kbs is f'king slooooooooooooooooow after having cable.

[AccadaccA]

Dang! Half of my logo's aren't showing, or is that because of the super slow connection I have?

I didn't do much else lastnight,... that is to say, nothing visual. I spent time on it trying to get scripts to do what I want but I was drifting off every so often (a bloke has to sleep some time) however I'm getting closer to having a driver selection script working.

I know the site isn't anything to write home about but it's only needed to keep records of our tippings, it's not meant to entice anybody. Providing the extra info is just a bonus for cross referencing and keeping our records together. I thought it best to keep it visually basic and fast loading.
Maybe it's a good thing that I haven't got cable speed atm or else I'd probably have made something more appealing that would take dial-up users a month of Sundays to load.

The lack of feedback is scary. Is it that bad? :why:

Anyway, I'm still working on it. If you want your name added to it just give us a holler or if you are having probs there with your browser etc. I've only viewed it on IE @ 1024x768 running XP Pro, so far. I usually test in various resolutions running Win'98 and then I'll take a look at it on Ash's puter runny XP before showing anyone.
I should do a crash course in PHP for this site to collect the tippings info and place it into tables, automatically workout the points and update the season's tippings ladder for us. But that PHP would take me ages to figure out.

BTW, making this a sticky has virtually hidden the thread. I couldn't see it where it usually is so I scrolled down the threads to find it, almost left thinking it was deleted, until I noticed it stuck up top just before I was about to click outta here.
I don't know about you guys but I rarely notice stickies, you sort of program yourself to ignore them when you're on a familiar forum. I know many others do too.

[VQ]

Nah they work fine for me, the lack of reply is prolly because no-one is online, but the site works fine, guess it takes some work away from me.

Itz pretty good, I tried undoing the sticky and it didn't work but it won't work at skool.

[AccadaccA]

heh, now those who saw this thread stuck up top are gonna be confused :D heh, sometimes you just can't win.


Thanks for letting me know about the logo links, I'm not happy with them anyway so I'll fluff around there until I am. Funny how the FPR logo doesn't show offline but it's the only Ford logog that I can see online. :why:

Time for a cuppa and to put my butt into gear with this script again.

[VQ]

OK, at least u know how to use that coding, I still have to learn it amoung other things.

[Mickcals]

so i see this idea is off the ground rather quickly.

so just fill me in on what ever happens cause like VQ i too am confused - extremely confused &(

[AccadaccA]

Originally posted by Mickcals
so i see this idea is off the ground rather quickly.
Mickcals : I was already working on the idea and website before you or I mentioned anything about tippings. I was planning on setting it all up before announcing my idea but you jumped onto my wave-length, ya bugger. :hat: heh

Well it's looking heaps better now, I've really livened it up with a more attractive colour scheme and altered pages a fair bit.

Unfortunately what I was expecting, happened. Optus has disconnected me. =[ I'm on Jen's puter right now.

At least I got all of the v8Supercars info I needed yesterday morning before they cut me off. Now it's only a matter of getting the "add driver" script working but I can't test it unless it's on a server.
Hang in there guys, I'll get out of this shit soon enough for us to have some practise with it before the 2004 season. BTW, the 2004 pages are also all done and ready to go. The ONLY thing I need to do now is get this script working and upload it all.

Oh and I've added this to the regular points system:
2 points for each incorrect podium placing.
For times when you pick (at least one of) the the podium placers but in the wrong order/position. I have also outlined which combinations of regular and bonus points are / are not, acceptable. Just so we're all clear on all of rules before we start (unlike AVESCO).

I am much happier on how it is looking now, I'm sure you guys will prefer it too, sorry I can't upload it just yet. But please don't give up hope in me.

I'll upload it and let you know as soon as I can.

Until then, look after yourselves.
Rob, AccadaccA



edit:

BTW, I have a new web-based email address that I can check from here (Jen's puter).

pissinup@keg-party.com :cheers: heh
It's real, just don't expect me to check it every day.

[Mickcals]

its good to know that we're on a weird wave-length.

Maybe we should have used it at Bathurts to track one another down ^_^

Looking forward to seeing this "project" up and running next year.

Well my predictions were fairly bad i mean i think i only got one top 5 right and that was Ingall (and i think i got Rick kelly right but i dont know where abouts in the round he finished)

[VQ]

Well I guessed Murphy as first, but he was second, I was hoping AMbrose's engine would die, but it just kept going dammit.

[Mickcals]

Ambroses engine was nothing just a scare - he just dropped a cylinder nothing big- he just didnt have the same power and output to the other, yet he still was able to overtake Simon Wills, I was a bit worried about Murphy's air intake as it was partially blocked and he was still running with the old engine

[murph_fan]

yeah but at the end, Simon Wills had a problem, dont know what, but all I saw was smoke pouring out from his car. Ambrose and others got past ( I think he finished 11th!). But the cars behind Ambrose didnt have the speed to pass him.

[Mickcals]

Wills stuffed from a gear box jam, as for the end of the race he was stuck in gear.

When Ambrose dropped a cylinder he had a 10sec gap between him and 5th (Seton) and by the time they caught up a safety car occured and then another, plus they were held back by Wills after the first safety car when he was stuck in gear which reopened a 5sec gap

[wello]

did I miss something I don't remember seeing any holden guys saying that Fords cheated this weekend ^_^
from what of the races I saw rusty and murph race together with a lot of repect for each other well done guys and never try any thing to wild the sign of true sportsmen (well at times aleast ^_^ )

[murph_fan]

yeah thats why Russell cut in front of Murph in the pits! :rant:

[Mickcals]

well go to V8X and youll see that Murphy was quite understanding about that incident, he just didnt know what was happening or whose fault it was or anything

[AccadaccA]

It was a dang shame that one of Todd Kelly's jacks was rooted. That cost him the race as (like Murphs at Bathurst) nothing came close to his qualifying time. -^

Mickcals : LOL, Murph (like us all) knew darn well who was in the wrong. Didn't you watch the race on telly?

wello : G'day Neil, I suppose cutting in front of cars in the fast lane of the pits is okay as long as you're doing it in a Furd? :rolleyes:
It's not whining, mate, it's the rules. :quoted:
Just like indicating to enter pit lane (Ambrose vs Bright). It's a bloody wonder Murphy hasn't been fined for hitting Ingalls car.... wait for it.

As far as I'm concerned Ingalls finished 60+ seconds later than the time recorded in lue of a stop/go penalty. This means Greg Murphy won the round.

As Murphs said, "if I done that I would have been penalised".

So true, so sad. =[


BTW, Ambrose was lucky that it was a faggoty tight circuit, not easy to overtake with poofy chicanes, skinny "trunk-to-tail" straights and a kazillion safety car laps. :rolleyes: But at least us Aussies can handle it better than those gay Indy drivers, gawd they're hopeless prcks! Their cars do the same speed as v8Supercars and are much narrower but they still can't even steer the shit-boxes straight. It was more like Indy pinball, than motor racing. To try and save face they cried about the rain. Gawd help 'em all. :nope:
World class racing? ^_^ yeah right! :rolleyes:

[VQ]

I agree, this whole years been fishy to me regarding ford, notice us Holden fans don't complain ne where near as much a Ford fans do? guess cos we are gracious losers I guess.

[Mickcals]

He [Murphy] said he was also satisfied the race stewards got the decision right with regard to incident in pitlane with Ingall yesterday.

Acca: This is a quote from V8X article "Tough win keeps Ingall in title hunt" right here its says Murphy was quite happy with what happened - plus it wasnt Ingall's fault as Crompton was saying its the guy with the board that decides whether to let the driver go

[wello]

Originally posted by Vqcapricedude
I agree, this whole years been fishy to me regarding ford, notice us Holden fans don't complain ne where near as much a Ford fans do? guess cos we are gracious losers I guess.

^_^ thats funny VQ because I see more bitching from the holden side in this thread than the other side ^_^

[Mickcals]

yeah VQ bitches about anything anti-holden - even when the subject has nothing to do with Holden - so what would you expert ^_^

[AccadaccA]

Originally posted by Mickcals
Acca: This is a quote from V8X article "Tough win keeps Ingall in title hunt" right here its says Murphy was quite happy with what happened - plus it wasnt Ingall's fault as Crompton was saying its the guy with the board that decides whether to let the driver go I think that after a year or so of it Murphs has learnt to shut-up , grin and bear it. Although I am a head-strong (stubborn) person I think that I would do the same if I was Murphy. Ya bitch and they don't forget. Greg learnt the hard way. In pit lane he showed the exchanged paint from Ingalls car and bitched. Now if some mag quotes him as saying different it'll only be because he has been reminded to keep his cool.
Agreed, it's not the driver's fault (blame the car controller) but it's the car/team that should be penalized..... try a 5 minute penalty on for size, Murphs had to for his pit members.
Notice they have now made another new rule concerning pit lane incidents. F#@kin' amazing how these rules get drummed up out of the blue.... oval.

Keep an eye on the Ozemail Falcons now that their manager bitched on camera about the officials over the rear bumper falling off. Poor Brad Jones is gonna cop heaps now like Murphs did. Bowe just isn't worth penalizing as he is never a threat to the podium.
Wasn't that a great come-back by Skaife in race 2. -^
What was Max Wilson's story? Then the second pile-up was also caused by a Ford driver. One of the Orrcon Falcons. :nope:
For gawd sake, please keep 'em out of Holdens. :rolleyes:

Turn the tables on which make of car gets shafted by suddenly made up rules and we'll hear Ford fans bitch a lot more. I mean even when rules were fairly honest Holden won, won, won and that was enough for ya's to gripe.
Handicaps were imposed on Holdens but they still continued to rule the races so more handicaps were introduced and more...
Then new rules appeared, such new rules were well and truly taking place back when Lowndes was driving for Holden. Remember the BS surrounding his back of the grid victory? Then there was a split round (I think it was WA) where only Ford teams were informed that the rules had changed for that weekend and they were now allowed to work on their cars overnight where as Holden teams weren't told so they missed that oppertunity.
Shit like that isn't just a casual oversight, it's down-right cheating to give Ford the edge required to gain it's fans hopes which is money at the gates.
IMG is a business, a huge American business (formerly AIMG), their only interest is drawing the crowds to make more money. If that means a tweak to the rules here and there so beit, they don't care.

For those who prefer Fords then that's your taste and rights to have an opinion, no probs. What I can't understand is how many Ford fans gloat even though they are fully aware of the handicaps imposed on all Holdens in the competition and the total BULLSHIT rules that are suddenly drummed up.
Just think about Greg Murphy for a minute. He would be clearly leading the series points if not for BS rules thrown at him all of the time. We ALL know he didn't take Lowndes out but the wrongfull penalty remained and he lost position because of it. That alone would have placed him well above Ambrose. Then there are a multiple of other BS ruling incidents against Murphs.
What if Lowndes didn't win that end of grid victory? Sure, they reversed their stupid decision after a lot of controvercy but what if he didn't win, how do they justify his points wrongfully denied?

Does anybody know what happened during the commercial break when Ingall got past Seton at NZ? Why was Seton suddenly back in the field? Can anybody guess what most likely happened?
I knew what was on Ingall's mind well before the long commercial break. Infact I knew as soon as he offered Ambrose to step aside so he could show him how to get past Seton. Why? How was Ingall passing Seton gonna help Ambrose? The ONLY way it could is by Ingall being a bully like "spin 'em 'round Radisich".
Then Ingall overtook by cutting corners with all four wheels on the grass causing drivers to drastically pull-over so Ambrose was safely sheparded through. That's just plain out-right cheating!!!
Screw the track, it has slow turns. Just go in hard without brakes and cut across the grass. Sheesh, if they all did that it would be a donut contest. Who ever has the tightest turning circle wins. :rolleyes:

So if you wave your blue-oval flags with glee then you must also feel proud when you beat-up on your kid sister. Same deal.
I think that I would be more pissed-off at AVESCO if I were a Ford fan. I'd like to think that Fords could win on their own merrit, but alas they obviously can't.... I guess we'll never know whilst such BS rules and handicaps are imposed.

Wave your flags and I'll wave mine..... for 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th. :cheers: heh

[Mickcals]

Acca im not attacking you here, but the BA Falcon itself has been handicapped as well, because blueprint is designed for the AU, the BA lost heaps of downforce due to the rules and had to make the front spoiler stick out more to get that lost downforce.

But AVESCO does have some problems with favorites over the years, i mean 2001 and 2000 they did favour Holden over Ford (eg Canberra - pit lane line- Cost Lowndes the race, while Skaife reccived a fine), Bathurst both years (especially 2001 with Paul Morris blocking the lead car), and there are a few others but i cant remember what track they happened at.

This one could tell that there is a sudden favour to Ford - like you said Murphy/Lowndes incident, etc.

And before you go talking about handicapped, holdden have to agree with the terms provided or pull out (which is something AVSECO doesnt want to happen), because the AU to was handicapped (but that was through over confidance).

Ford has won on there own merrit - but ever since they made the cars similar Ford has struggled (Ford did better when they had Dunlop tyres and Holden had Bridgestone, Ford would have Shell and Holden would have Moble 1, etc)

[Mickcals]

I just want to add something else.

If you look at the stats from 1995 to 1999, you ll see that Ford had won alot of races and rounds on they're own merrit and the same with Holden, but when AVSECO introduced the rules to make them similar thats what stuffed everything up, which is where Holden had dominated from.

I mean look at it today the only difference is the shell and engine (and even that pretty much the same). Because of this we have a pattern Ford is stronger on the straights, while Hodlen is stronger in the corners

[AccadaccA]

Originally posted by Mickcals
Acca im not attacking you here Yeah I know, mate. It's all cool. :beer:Originally posted by Mickcals
Because of this we have a pattern Ford is stronger on the straights, while Hodlen is stronger in the corners Um... Bathurst 2003.

Larry Perkins was accused of holding up the Fords. Let me refresh your memory a little, if I may. Up hill the closest the Fords came to Larry's tail end was 1 - 1/2 of a car length yet down Conrod Straight he had an easy four car lead on them. He never held them up, they simply couldn't catch him.

What handicaps were imposed on the AU or the BA? .... besides that blue oval badge. ^_^

None. They wouldn't handicap the dominant Holdens if they didn't need to give Ford the extra chance. Funny you should mention the front spoiler being extended. Remember Bathurst 2001 was going to be boycotted by Ford if Holden didn't shave their front spoiler by 10 cm. Now that the Ford front spoilers protrude much further than Holdens ever did nothing is said about it. Hmm, which make of car bitches and whines? :why:

So what other "handicaps have been imposed onto Fords? I'm sure the Queensland radio station that announced all of the Holden handicaps would have broadcasted the Ford ones too if any as they are all Ford fans. But alas, the only news on Fords were only ever the sooks threatening to boycott Bathurst and the plentiful manufacturer recalls. :nope:

No lie Mickcals, and I'm not saying this to push anyone's buttons.
I mean almost everything has had to be changed on Holdens to help keep Fords in the race. And I'm not talking about the last few years. The follwing list of Holden handicaps is what was publicly announced on the radio and t.v. over a period of a few years before Bathurst of 2001. Each time I heard them myself and posted about each handicap on the Main forum as they were imposed and revealed to the media.

All of these were changed/altered because they were too good prior to Bathurst 2001:
Holden Suspension front
Holden Brakes
Holden Rear spoiler (wing)
Holden Suspension rear
Holden Front spoiler (shave chassis)
Holden Traction bars (notice Holdens wheelspin a lot whilst Fords launch off faster)............

If my memory serves (lol that's a joke) Lowndes crossed the line right at the pit exit (as if it didn't exist) where as Skaife adhered to it far longer.... but don't hold me to it.

Here's a typical example: Paul Radisich spins at least one car per race and gets away with them all. One race Skaife does it once, a few laps after the Rat and is penalized for it. The official reason came back as "time of day". :rolleyes:
Need I say more? :nope:




Jen's asleep on the lounge, I best wake her and send her to bed, then go home.
Take care matey, catchya next time.

[Mickcals]

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Originally posted by Mickcals
Because of this we have a pattern Ford is stronger on the straights, while Hodlen is stronger in the corners
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Um... Bathurst 2003.

Larry Perkins was accused of holding up the Fords. Let me refresh your memory a little, if I may. Up hill the closest the Fords came to Larry's tail end was 1 - 1/2 of a car length yet down Conrod Straight he had an easy four car lead on them. He never held them up, they simply couldn't catch him.


Now thats not from me, i heard Skaife and Murphy talk about that at Barbagello, Sandown, Bathurst, Hidden Valley and Eastern Creek.

The BA had heaps of downforce coming off the side skirts and rear spoiler (i remember Larkham talking about it at Adelaide) they had to adjust it a few mm.

And as for the AU, that (as a race car) was handicaped from the start and that was because Seton had over estimated everything, giving Holden the opprotunity to improve an already decent race car, and all the Ford drivers complained in 2000/2001 about the AU and wanted to change the AU or change the VT/VX and AVESCO choose to change the Commodore - and thats Project Blueprint - but now they have done it too late and the VY and BA have been effected.

It will be interesting next year when the AU is gone and the VZ comes into play

[skaife_fan]

Well all i know is the v8supercars were pretty even up till a few years ago
Year Championship winner Car
1993 Seton Ford
1994 Skaife Holden
1995 Bowe Ford
1996 Lowndes Holden
1997 Seton Ford
1998 Lowndes Holden
1999 Lowndes Holden
2000 Skaife Holden
2001 Skaife Holden
2002 Skaife Holden

[Mickcals]

Hey not just the championship, heres some results from the past at different venues:

Fosters Australian Grand Prix, Albert Park Grand Prix Circuit, Victoria :

Round Winners:
1993 Larry Perkins Commodore
1994 John Bowe Falcon
1995 John Bowe Falcon
1996 Glenn Seton Falcon
1997 Russell Ingall Commodore
1998 Russel Ingall Commodore
1999 Mark Skaife Commodore
2000 Garth Tander Commodore
2001 Paul Radisich Ford

Phillip Island Grand Prix Circuit, Victoria
Round Winners:
1993 Glenn Seton Falcon
1994 Glenn Seton Falcon
1995 Glenn Seton Falcon
1996 Larry Perkins Commodore
1997 Mark Skaife Commodore
1998 Craig Lowndes Commodore
1999 Mark Skaife Commodore
2000 Garth Tander Commodore
2001 Mark Skaife Commodore
2002 Mark Skaife Commodore
2003 Craig Lowndes Falcon

Winton Motor Raceway, Victoria
Round Winners
1993 Glenn Seton Falcon
1994 Glenn Seton Falcon
1995 John Bowe Falcon
1997 Russell Ingall Commodore
1998 John Bowe Falcon
1999 Jason Bargwanna Commodore
2000 Jason Bargwanna Commodore
2001 Russell Ingall Commodore
2002 Mark Skaife Commodore
2003 Marcos Ambrose Falcon

Hidden Valley Raceway, Northern Territory
Round Winners:
1998 Russell Ingall Commodore
1999 Jason Bright Falcon
2000 Mark Skaife Commodore
2001 Marcos Ambrose Falcon
2002 Mark Skaife Commodore
2003 Marcos Ambrose Falcon

Gold Coast Indy 300, Queensland
Round Winners:
1994 John Bowe Falcon
1996 John Bowe Falcon
1997 Greg Murphy Commodore
1998 Mark Larkham Falcon
1999 Paul Radisich Falcon
2000 Paul Radisich Falcon
2001 Garth Tander Commodore
2002 Jason Bargwanna Commodore
2003 Russell Ingall Falcon

See just from some selected rounds (Rounds like Bathurst, Sandown, Eastern Creek and Oran Park have been domniated by Holden with Ford having the odd win around 1993 to 1997 and 2003) the wins going to Ford and Holden are pretty even and you can see 2000, 1999, 2001 and 1998, most of the round wins in these years go to Holden .

These results are from the V8 Supercar website - it would be interesting to see the results from past rounds